"Hypothetically lets say", I love that line because it opens up a cornucopia of possibilities, a world of make believe. Unfortunately I don't work on that level. Pat uses it all the time to create a what if scenario to support his hypothetical theories. The only thing that solidifies it is your observation of the limited capacity of the human mind. You have a lot to say which can be condensed quite a bit but the underlying theme is for sure relevant. An old member, gruff, whom I had many disagreements with on this, insisted that humanity is progressing but in minute increments throughout history, to which I disagree and view as more the decline and regression that I see as apparent in the current cycle. What idiocy in this highly technological world allows such incidences as the oil catastrophe in the US Gulf of Mexico? Morons are we? Quite right. There is not indication that we are any further ahead that we were in the pre- industrial world. Trial and error? In this day and age where we have traveled the universe, landed on the moon? The One? What "One"?
Sure I would have personal ideas for improvement and I'm sure thousands of others would also have some. Unfortunately the implementation of such ideas is nearly impossible under the current jurisdiction of global regimes, including that of the US, one of the most powerful global regimes. The terminology may seem to some harsh but the reality remains the same; corporate mentality void of morality renders the planet a mere economic tool regardless of the disastrous fallout. I'm also sure that if you or anyone else yelled too loudly the late night news would be reporting your unfortunate fatal accident. They simply get rid of those that get in their way. On Jun 5, 12:33 am, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: > "Perhaps we can say that what you refer to as the "One" is drunk with > the delusion of domination." > > Hypothetically lets say an all-encompassing One exists, there might be no > other option, and it must be what it is. Or perhaps the idea of One as we > know it is an anthropomorphism or stop-gap measure for our minds to explain > things beyond our comprehension. I do however personally agree with you, > incapable of rising to planes of efficacy and comprehension we may have > little recourse but to experience the drunkenness or saturation. This sadly I > see to an extent as paralysis, but we are moving forward and I've gotten some > interesting responses to that before. > > "Power is not a delusion, it is real and possibly necessary for social > functionality alternative to chaos and anarchy. Like social upheavals the > resistance to domination renders > an entire metropolis mere flotsam." > > The ends should be apparent in the means, the potential of the human > spirit (however one may see it) should be something, /anything/, other > than flotsam. > > "Empires crumble when domination ceases to exist." > > Trial and error perhaps? The increasing use of dominance may also be > seen as a sign of inadequacy and ultimately impotence. The idea of an > empire is to get everyone on board, dominance can only achieve things to > a point, because our empires are composed of people. Think of it like an > ant colony, that is the perfect empire, what unites the ants is the > common motivation (genetic predisposition for the caste, an effective > and strictly defined neurochemical communication system). The ants do > what they can, human beings are not and I think it is the disparity > between capacity and uptake of that potential which is hindering a 'self > actualization' of our species. > > We are capable of much more than that, it just takes some hard work and > thought. Until an empire rises which unites all of mankind with a common > vision more of the same is just what we will have. In that time I think > the word power would become obsolete. > > Just my impromptu recipe: > There are a few challenges to overcome and they should be fundamental: > population, resources, advancement. Quality of life for all people today > and into the future should be of ultimate concern. > The benefit to engaging responsible reproduction collectively should be > of concern. The development and adaptation to sustainable resource > usage. Advancement of effective sciences into public awareness and > governance (merit), and ultimately the species with the focus on time > (present, decades, centuries, millennia, eons). Advancement of arts for > all the diverse reasons we want to survive and make meaning. > > Alternatives: > Reproduce and consume waiting for a bigger fish to come along. Make the > same mistakes again and again, perpetual growth and pyramid schemes. To > our credit I don't think most are aware of how great our potential is. > > I agree that it is important we can 'descend' as appropriate to ensure > survival, but I think it is just as important to evolve and forge ahead > in order to stand the test of time. The logical conclusions of dominance > and control if allowed the reins is an ever increasing bureaucracy and > reduction of complex organic circumstances to convenient decision trees > and assessments. > > Just an idea at this point, I bet you have some improvements and I would > like to hear them. > > On 6/2/2010 11:26 PM, Slip Disc wrote: > > > Perhaps we can say that what you refer to as the "One" is drunk with > > the delusion of domination. Power is not a delusion, it is real and > > possibly necessary for social functionality alternative to chaos and > > anarchy. Like social upheavals the resistance to domination renders > > an entire metropolis mere flotsam. Empires crumble when domination > > ceases to exist. We, each in our microcosm of life, dominate our > > environment in order to form a stable and productive mechanism. > > Without domination our children, animals, friends and co-workers would > > be completely without semblance. Sure there are those that foam at > > the mouth with the craving for world domination but it doesn't negate > > the basic need for it. We are not slaves to the necessity of > > domination; it is as necessary as any other survival mechanism and a > > natural function; a Darwinian principle. > > > On Jun 2, 6:43 am, Molly<[email protected]> wrote: > > >> "the influence, and intoxicating delusion of power provided by > >> domination." > > >> Well put, Ash. One is a slave who allows themselves to be dominated. > >> Those who dominate are actually slaves to their own lower nature. > >> Making the choice to be neither, yet embracing all those that are, as > >> essential to the One, is the means to escaping the slavery we each > >> impose on ourselves. > > >> On Jun 2, 2:12 am, Ash<[email protected]> wrote: > > >>> Here in the US we have a variety of subcultures and most of them derive > >>> from some competition for limited resources (whether real or imagined) > >>> largely influenced by the socioeconomic strata but also including group > >>> identity (class, religion, sexuality, age, ethnicity, political > >>> orientation, etc). > > >>> It is possible to become like a slave to the roles we play through > >>> attachment to our values, ritualized behavior and institutionalized > >>> ideation of our self and the world we live in. The reduction to slavery > >>> I think involves corruption within our faculty of assessment where the > >>> healthy mind reasons flexibly and creatively toward wisdom and > >>> fulfillment of a virtuous life (even if simple by most standards) but is > >>> reduced to programmed responses by institutionalizing influences. That > >>> is as an automaton or robotic. > > >>> One difficult matter that Molly and a few others have been mentioning > >>> lately is the influence, and intoxicating delusion of power provided by > >>> domination. If you look across the spectrum of abuse from the vilest > >>> sacks of crap to the excelsior and prestigious cruel overlords of reason > >>> you may find them both motivated by similar hungers. The ends justify > >>> the means and self-satisfaction comes at the cost of those underfoot who > >>> are the means to their ends. That understanding and thousands of images > >>> strike the anger out of one when the times come, like humble being > >>> branded onto their psyche (or heart). That is what I mean if you hear me > >>> say ignorance is a privilege. Also, the faculty of assessment is mostly > >>> subconscious and domination is the most greatly rewarded in society and > >>> the animal kingdom. The trick is to make intentions and motivations a > >>> conscious choice so that we may behave as, and be 'human'. > > >>> IMO > > >>> On 5/30/2010 8:05 PM, kdephil wrote: > > >>>> I want to start off saying I am new here at minds eye. I don't have a > >>>> title nor do i desire one, > >>>> (philosopher ,student, wannabe) it all doesn't matter. > > >>>> I remember when I was younger I wanted to fit in with the kids at > >>>> school. > >>>> I tried the baggy pants and and using curse words like everyone else > >>>> was doing at middle school, > >>>> but it never stick (I was socially retarded for that sort of thing). > >>>> Now that i have gotten wiser I think this > >>>> things were foolish now. > > >>>> so my questions are: > >>>> 1) The way that society(except the family) programs a human, is it a > >>>> type of brain washing ? > > >>>> ex. Mostly in the U.S some woman will try and get a boob job and > >>>> thinks its ok, while most woman from east > >>>> Asia will think the idea is disgusting. > > >>>> (sorry for any grammar errors)- Hide quoted text - > > >>> - Show quoted text -
