Well, the God of the Old Testament certainly had anger management problems, didn't he?
On Sep 10, 12:05 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > When we say ' I am God ' or ' I am that ' we are referring to our innermost > being which is common to all , animate or inanimate. But practically > speaking we are just His emanations in myriads of forms. To say ' I am That > ' we ascribe an importance to ourselves and an immortality which becomes our > very own. To all intents and purposes we are individuals who are part of > society and owe it the duty to make it rational , humane and progressive. > > > > On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 9:31 PM, ashok tewari <[email protected]> wrote: > > This is continuity with the topic of anger / emotions ... > > > ALL feelings are natural ( N ), a given, as in happens the way we are, in > > common with the way it happens in whole of the animal world. > > Principally >>> 1. as reflexive or instinctual effects linked to Survival > > and Progeny ; > > and, >>>>>>> 2. immediate effects stimulated by Sensuous objects and > > phenomenon impacting our sight, smell, hearing, touch and taste. > > > Emotions are OUR reactive ( R ) feelings ... OUR feelings in reaction to > > feelings that merely happen to us. They remain psychosomatic phenomenon - > > mental physical - arising from drives and qualifications set upon by the > > subconscious, bypassing dispassionate human discrimination. > > > We are not responsible for N - feelings, as they happen because of the way > > we are naturally structured and constructed. BUT we are responsible for our > > R - feelings, the emotions. > > > ALL human beings ARE IRRESPONSIBLE in this context, more or less, as WE ALL > > do not deal with our emotions in a manner that simplifies, illuminates, > > reduces and perhaps eliminate our subconscious >>> leading to ALL of the > > emotion - feeling phenomena coming under the clear light of our intellect, > > in our awareness, with prompts of points along the flow where we are > > required to exercise conscious choice, knowing and responsibly. > > > It takes much ( spiritual ) evolution on our part even to dare to be an > > emotionally responsible. > > > Raja Yoga Sutra : And, HE is without impressions ( subconscious ). That's > > God for me. It's me. It's God. > > > @neil, @fran, @chris, @om, @slip, @molly, @allan, @pat, @abdullah, @doug, > > @lee, @drgw, @don and all I couldn't list ... nudging you, to add and > > extend. > > > On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 8:37 PM, frantheman > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > >> As you imply in your link, Molly, it really only makes sense to > >> discuss something like Righteous Anger in a virtue-based system of > >> moral thinking, something that has a long and varied tradition, much > >> wider than simply Catholicism. > >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtue > > >> It's a way of looking at the world, I suppose. Personally, I often > >> find the definitions and distinctions rather artificial; usually based > >> on "magic" numbers such as three, seven and twelve. Imagine a teaching > >> which talked of the 14 cardinal virtues and 11 chief vices! :-) > > >> Francis > > >> On Sep 10, 3:04 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > Actually, in catholic terms, anger is one of the seven deadly sins. > >> > Righteous anger is virtuous only if our will is not applied, a > >> > trickier notion to grasp. The righteous anger we feel when we see a > >> > child deformed by any abuse connects us to the virtue of seeing the > >> > child as perfect in God's glory. NOT that I am advocating any kind of > >> > catholic doctrine, but anyone wishing to understand this notion > >> > further might try reading "Back to Virtue", by Peter Kreefthttp:// > >> books.google.com/books?id=55QdKe3FmYMC&dq=Peter+Kreeft%27s+Bac... > > >> > Francis would be our resident expert on this subject. > > >> > On Sep 10, 7:54 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > There is a virtue called rigtheous anger and very necessary in society > >> > > in regards to justice. > > >> > > On Sep 9, 11:19 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > I guess I could see anger as a release mechanism. Sometimes it > >> could > >> > > > be perceived as venting but there is a point at which we can cross > >> the > >> > > > line, a point at which others are affected negatively by the > >> outbursts > >> > > > of anger and worse the physical. I don't see it very useful on a > >> > > > societal level because anger usually begets anger which can ramify > >> > > > into something too huge to contain. > > >> > > > On Sep 9, 5:53 pm, gruff <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > Slip, > > >> > > > > Anger can be irrational and baseless ... i.e., the act of someone > >> with > >> > > > > severe mental aberrations. It can also be a valid reaction and > >> > > > > protest to perceived and real injustices. Anger is not without > >> its > >> > > > > uses in society. > > >> > > > > On Sep 9, 3:31 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > - Hide quoted text - > >> > > > > - Show quoted text - > > >> > > > > On Sep 9, 3:31 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > > You concur, how redeeming and I do agree, the state of > >> consciousness > >> > > > > > within which we, those who can, toss if off, water on a ducks > >> back. I > >> > > > > > don't see it as the general rule considering the level of > >> manifest > >> > > > > > anger in the world. At this point we should recognize the > >> varying > >> > > > > > levels of anger distinguished by intensity and reactionary > >> responses. > >> > > > > > There are those who become extremely irate due to trivialities, > >> ie; > >> > > > > > traffic snarl. Others are as you say puppets of the ego > >> master. > >> > > > > > Peacefulness is by far my general demeanor and recognized by > >> those > >> > > > > > around me and by now through the numerous exchanges we've had > >> > > > > > something you should know; I'm more the voyeur and less the > >> > > > > > participant in the mundane experience and we've had our bouts on > >> that > >> > > > > > level. Surely the amount of material written regarding this is > >> > > > > > enormous but I would venture to guess that it has been a topic > >> of > >> > > > > > discussion before the written word; a recognition and inquiry > >> into the > >> > > > > > why of it. The where does anger emanate and why does it exist > >> may be > >> > > > > > the two most important questions regarding the dilemma of > >> humanity; > >> > > > > > the dilemma of anger induced horror. Along with that I would > >> toss in > >> > > > > > aggression, the need to conquer and enslave, the continual > >> predation > >> > > > > > of one's own species and it should be noted that we are the only > >> > > > > > species capable of this aggression. I don't see birds sitting > >> in > >> > > > > > their nest relaxing while other slave birds go out and deliver > >> the > >> > > > > > goods, clean the nest and take care of the babies; but that is > >> another > >> > > > > > subject entirely. > >> > > > > > The subject of linguistics is basic and possibly babel born but > >> > > > > > whatever the case many a disagreement and war has been started > >> upon > >> > > > > > a communication snafu. The intimacy issue I'm not sure of as > >> to what > >> > > > > > you are intimating but I might consider that some of our > >> communication > >> > > > > > has been intimate; is it my pheromones? ;-) > > >> > > > > > On Sep 9, 8:24 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > Some people do live in a state of perpetual anger, it is true. > >> There > >> > > > > > > are states of consciousness where we recognize anger and let > >> it go > >> > > > > > > without externalizing, internalizing, identifying, projecting > >> or any > >> > > > > > > of the other ego function reactions to anger that would limit > >> a > >> > > > > > > persons state of consciousness to one where ego is master. I > >> have > >> > > > > > > experienced the recognition and release of anger while in a > >> state of > >> > > > > > > peace and joy. There is also an enormous amount of material > >> written > >> > > > > > > about these states of consciousness, some current, some > >> ancient, and I > >> > > > > > > have given many references over the years to them. All > >> traditions, > >> > > > > > > religions, philosophies, viewpoints are but languages. We > >> communicate > >> > > > > > > through verbal and non verbal language. When the > >> communication is > >> > > > > > > deeply intimate, no interpretation from one to the other is > >> > > > > > > necessary. Our experience with others provides us myriad > >> levels of > >> > > > > > > intimacy in communication, some shallow and difficult to > >> navigate > >> > > > > > > because of barriers in understanding on many levels. Such is > >> the > >> > > > > > > diversity of life. > > >> > > > > > > On Sep 8, 9:32 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > but do understand that this is not a level of > >> > > > > > > > consciousness for an expression of anger-mb > > >> > > > > > > > I don't get this "anger is not a level of consciousness" > >> when of > >> > > > > > > > course it is a consciousness of anger in which some people > >> spend their > >> > > > > > > > entire lives entrenched in it. > > >> > > > > > > > I think that you express out of your own personality which > >> is the > >> > > > > > > > platform from which you not only view but from which you > >> standardize > >> > > > > > > > the world and respond to it in that context, but it is not a > >> general > >> > > > > > > > rule. You can't state as if it is fact. > > >> > > > > > > > Some people are born, live and die in a complete state of > >> anger. For > >> > > > > > > > some it is the extreme but still it is their level of > >> consciousness > >> > > > > > > > which they are confined to. > > >> > > > > > > > On Sep 8, 3:18 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > got it. My point is, we are blowing, and the wind...no > >> > > > > > > > > difference...but do understand that this is not a level of > >> > > > > > > > > consciousness for an expression of anger, which would be a > >> view of > >> > > > > > > > > separation, so true. In which case...I wouldn't want any > >> of that > >> > > > > > > > > coming back to me. I often wonder > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
