Actually, in catholic terms, anger is one of the seven deadly sins. Righteous anger is virtuous only if our will is not applied, a trickier notion to grasp. The righteous anger we feel when we see a child deformed by any abuse connects us to the virtue of seeing the child as perfect in God's glory. NOT that I am advocating any kind of catholic doctrine, but anyone wishing to understand this notion further might try reading "Back to Virtue", by Peter Kreeft http://books.google.com/books?id=55QdKe3FmYMC&dq=Peter+Kreeft%27s+Back+to+Virtue&printsec=frontcover&source=bn&hl=en&ei=lSmKTIj6M87-nAffhP3FDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q&f=false
Francis would be our resident expert on this subject. On Sep 10, 7:54 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > There is a virtue called rigtheous anger and very necessary in society > in regards to justice. > > On Sep 9, 11:19 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I guess I could see anger as a release mechanism. Sometimes it could > > be perceived as venting but there is a point at which we can cross the > > line, a point at which others are affected negatively by the outbursts > > of anger and worse the physical. I don't see it very useful on a > > societal level because anger usually begets anger which can ramify > > into something too huge to contain. > > > On Sep 9, 5:53 pm, gruff <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Slip, > > > > Anger can be irrational and baseless ... i.e., the act of someone with > > > severe mental aberrations. It can also be a valid reaction and > > > protest to perceived and real injustices. Anger is not without its > > > uses in society. > > > > On Sep 9, 3:31 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > - Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > On Sep 9, 3:31 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > You concur, how redeeming and I do agree, the state of consciousness > > > > within which we, those who can, toss if off, water on a ducks back. I > > > > don't see it as the general rule considering the level of manifest > > > > anger in the world. At this point we should recognize the varying > > > > levels of anger distinguished by intensity and reactionary responses. > > > > There are those who become extremely irate due to trivialities, ie; > > > > traffic snarl. Others are as you say puppets of the ego master. > > > > Peacefulness is by far my general demeanor and recognized by those > > > > around me and by now through the numerous exchanges we've had > > > > something you should know; I'm more the voyeur and less the > > > > participant in the mundane experience and we've had our bouts on that > > > > level. Surely the amount of material written regarding this is > > > > enormous but I would venture to guess that it has been a topic of > > > > discussion before the written word; a recognition and inquiry into the > > > > why of it. The where does anger emanate and why does it exist may be > > > > the two most important questions regarding the dilemma of humanity; > > > > the dilemma of anger induced horror. Along with that I would toss in > > > > aggression, the need to conquer and enslave, the continual predation > > > > of one's own species and it should be noted that we are the only > > > > species capable of this aggression. I don't see birds sitting in > > > > their nest relaxing while other slave birds go out and deliver the > > > > goods, clean the nest and take care of the babies; but that is another > > > > subject entirely. > > > > The subject of linguistics is basic and possibly babel born but > > > > whatever the case many a disagreement and war has been started upon > > > > a communication snafu. The intimacy issue I'm not sure of as to what > > > > you are intimating but I might consider that some of our communication > > > > has been intimate; is it my pheromones? ;-) > > > > > On Sep 9, 8:24 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Some people do live in a state of perpetual anger, it is true. There > > > > > are states of consciousness where we recognize anger and let it go > > > > > without externalizing, internalizing, identifying, projecting or any > > > > > of the other ego function reactions to anger that would limit a > > > > > persons state of consciousness to one where ego is master. I have > > > > > experienced the recognition and release of anger while in a state of > > > > > peace and joy. There is also an enormous amount of material written > > > > > about these states of consciousness, some current, some ancient, and I > > > > > have given many references over the years to them. All traditions, > > > > > religions, philosophies, viewpoints are but languages. We communicate > > > > > through verbal and non verbal language. When the communication is > > > > > deeply intimate, no interpretation from one to the other is > > > > > necessary. Our experience with others provides us myriad levels of > > > > > intimacy in communication, some shallow and difficult to navigate > > > > > because of barriers in understanding on many levels. Such is the > > > > > diversity of life. > > > > > > On Sep 8, 9:32 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > but do understand that this is not a level of > > > > > > consciousness for an expression of anger-mb > > > > > > > I don't get this "anger is not a level of consciousness" when of > > > > > > course it is a consciousness of anger in which some people spend > > > > > > their > > > > > > entire lives entrenched in it. > > > > > > > I think that you express out of your own personality which is the > > > > > > platform from which you not only view but from which you standardize > > > > > > the world and respond to it in that context, but it is not a general > > > > > > rule. You can't state as if it is fact. > > > > > > > Some people are born, live and die in a complete state of anger. > > > > > > For > > > > > > some it is the extreme but still it is their level of consciousness > > > > > > which they are confined to. > > > > > > > On Sep 8, 3:18 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > got it. My point is, we are blowing, and the wind...no > > > > > > > difference...but do understand that this is not a level of > > > > > > > consciousness for an expression of anger, which would be a view of > > > > > > > separation, so true. In which case...I wouldn't want any of that > > > > > > > coming back to me. I often wonder if the person acting out anger > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > even aware of what comes back. > > > > > > > > On Sep 8, 3:18 pm, ashok tewari <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > * smiling * The point, Molly, was it coming back on oneself. * > > > > > > > > tickled * > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:44 AM, Molly <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I see your point, Vam. I didn't think the act made that much > > > > > > > > > difference, but I suppose it could! > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 8, 2:43 pm, ashok tewari <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > " ... blowing in the wind." > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest : ... spitting in th wind, for females. And : ... > > > > > > > > > > pissing in > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > wind, for males ! > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:44 PM, Molly > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > It is interesting, in this thread, so many have taken the > > > > > > > > > > > task to tell > > > > > > > > > > > others how to express themselves. I have not found any > > > > > > > > > > > problems with > > > > > > > > > > > RPs posts (indeed, a great deal of understanding of the > > > > > > > > > > > subject), and > > > > > > > > > > > like gabby, don't think anyone should have to defend him, > > > > > > > > > > > is there a > > > > > > > > > > > gang forming here? Some of us make our sufi like > > > > > > > > > > > responses, others > > > > > > > > > > > make statements reflecting our views and give links with > > > > > > > > > > > info to back > > > > > > > > > > > them up. None of this is new and none of it is the basis > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > opposition. We are all free to express our views in any > > > > > > > > > > > post within > > > > > > > > > > > the parameters of the guidelines, and all free to choose > > > > > > > > > > > not to post. > > > > > > > > > > > But unless a moderator steps in with a reminder of the > > > > > > > > > > > guidelines, > > > > > > > > > > > anyone telling another what to say and how to act in here > > > > > > > > > > > is just > > > > > > > > > > > blowing in the wind. > > > > > > > > > > > > In terms of the thread, these may be the very thoughts > > > > > > > > > > > that plague our > > > > > > > > > > > minds obsessively that we would be better off releasing > > > > > > > > > > > than indulging > > > > > > > > > > > in reaction. Thoughts about how the world comes up > > > > > > > > > > > short, is > > > > > > > > > > > disappointing, how others should be are all malignant > > > > > > > > > > > ego, and if > > > > > > > > > > > released, leave room within us for honest self > > > > > > > > > > > examination. Levels of > > > > > > > > > > > consciousness filled with thoughts of fear, anger, > > > > > > > > > > > resentment etc > > > > > > > > > > > multiply these thoughts exponentially and uncontrollably > > > > > > > > > > > until our > > > > > > > > > > > minds cannot turn off from them. Levels of consciousness > > > > > > > > > > > filled with > > > > > > > > > > > peace and quiet, compassion, love and gratitude allow us > > > > > > > > > > > to better > > > > > > > > > > > witness the process of thought and mind in consciousness. > > > > > > > > > > > This kind > > > > > > > > > > > of self examination cannot occur in the first mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > level, and > > > > > > > > > > > will inevitably occur in the second. Truth is, even the > > > > > > > > > > > mystics will > > > > > > > > > > > admit that it is human to move from state to state, and > > > > > > > > > > > many suggest a > > > > > > > > > > > spiral dynamic to the movement. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 8, 12:05 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Seems my vegetarian humor differs quite a bit from > > > > > > > > > > > > yours, Allan. ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > See what I was going to reply to Darkwater: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know why you are doing this, but I think RP can > > > > > > > > > > > > speak for > > > > > > > > > > > > himself. Or shall I say: Let him speak for himself!? > > > > > > > > > > > > Watering down > > > > > > > > > > > > everything to Ken Wilbur does not help to build the arc > > > > > > > > > > > > in time. He > > > > > > > > > > > > says, his words are meant for people who want to > > > > > > > > > > > > understand them. > > > > > > > > > Fair > > > > > > > > > > > > enough. Take what you get and leave the rest behind is > > > > > > > > > > > > my advice to > > > > > > > > > > > > you, Darkwater. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8 Sep., 17:16, iam deheretic <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL Oddly I know exactly what he is saying from > > > > > > > > > > > > > different sources. > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > been rumbling around fo eons,, does not make it true > > > > > > > > > > > > > and because > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > make something dogma and doctrine of their beliefs > > > > > > > > > > > > > still does not > > > > > > > > > make > > ... > > read more »
