"Children arrive without a cent- usually- so it's uphill from thereon!" Boah, rigsy, I'm sorry, I find this logic rather sick and therefore wrong, but I see how it corresponds to the national identity of speakers of utterances of this kind. A child's life does not begin at the moment it arrives at the new land, the promised land, the land that the father can see and has control over. The land you need to scream in order to get your food and then shut your mouth in order to get your cents. Your uphill is downhill for quite a number of mothers and children.
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 5:14 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > There are scales of the poor- they are not all destitute- what shall > we call them? Maybe our opinions are relative based on what we have > read, observed and experienced. And what drives envy and ambition? > Then we may need a political or historical explanation- or religious. > There is quite a leap from the tombs of those honored in Egypt to the > doctrines of early Christianity regarding life after death. And > doesn't liberalism-progressivism, socialism and communism seek to even > out the classes- and "spread the money around"? Just asking. One might > also trace the recruitment of the military through history- or the > history of labor, for that matter. In fact, there are many different > avenues of approach- modern media and advertising, the industrial > revolution, the varieties of education, the family, etc. The interplay > could be interesting as envy and ambition are simply two of many human > emotions/drives and outcomes are often surprising depending on a > multitude of influences and factors. Also, what are the lofty or > ulterior motives of those in charge- say, the aristocracy, the > wealthy, the clergy, the powerful? Children arrive without a cent- > usually- so it's uphill from thereon! > > On Dec 28, 3:10 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > Rigsy I really don't think the poor are driven by envy or ambition.. > where > > envy and ambition seems to show up most is among the rich. The poor are > > driven more by survival. One up-man-ship is really pure envy and the the > > scale is dependant on the amount of wealth. > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 3:28 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Thank you for clarifying your remark, Don. I think we agree. The > > > "poor" may be driven by envy or ambition- which one makes a > > > difference- and even the rich can succumb to envy or a perpetual > > > contest of one-upsmanship. Money is an interesting topic for family > > > histories- follow the money! Cherchez la femme! :-) > > > > > On Dec 25, 7:54 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Balanced is good, rigs. I was thinking about those that live Spartan > > > lives > > > > and judge the rest of us for our excesses. Bland food and sleeping on > the > > > > floor are not for me. I didn't mean to criticize those that do prefer > > > these > > > > things for discipline or whatever but I suppose it came out like > that. I > > > > have noticed that some 'poor' people do plenty of judging of those of > us > > > > that have stuff and I resent it. I guess that came out a little. > > > > > > dj > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 6:28 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Why do you think people who have a balanced idea of needs and wants > > > > > are "pious" prigs? There are plenty of mediocre rich people when it > > > > > comes to talent and ideas. > > > > > > > On Dec 23, 12:27 am, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I think you are correct. We can only judge ourselves. Eating more > > > food > > > > > then > > > > > > you need is gluttony, btw. Guilty. Hording might be considered > greedy > > > I > > > > > > suppose if you're hording what others need now and you are > unlikely > > > to > > > > > need > > > > > > it for yourself and yet you still refuse to sell it to or trade > to > > > others > > > > > > that need it more then you. > > > > > > > > Taking or buying or collecting or working for only what you need > > > sounds > > > > > like > > > > > > a really boring life to me. I want more then what I need. For me > and > > > the > > > > > > ones I love. If that is greed then greed is good. Settling for > just > > > what > > > > > you > > > > > > need all your life will leave you and yours wallowing in > mediocrity > > > and > > > > > > relative poverty. I'll leave that to the pious. I'll wallow in my > > > greed. > > > > > > > > dj > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 7:35 AM, [email protected] < > > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > You've had enough? Have people been calling you greedy and you > > > > > > > disagree with them? > > > > > > > > > Greed is the desire for more than you need. You are correct I > > > think, > > > > > > > that ones needs can only really be suitably defined by the > person > > > in > > > > > > > need. Art I think must be treated differanlty than say food. > > > > > > > > > If you have enough food and yet desire more, this is greed, > > > easpecily > > > > > > > when you have so much that most gets wasted. > > > > > > > > > Perhaps then we should talk in terms of supply and waste. If > it > > > your > > > > > > > goal to accumilate so much money that you cannot hope to spend > it > > > all > > > > > > > in your lifetime, then I would also call that greed. So > intent, > > > > > > > supply, and waste. > > > > > > > > > On Dec 12, 9:55 am, BB47 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > The word “greed” is tossed out so often and it always > intrigues > > > me > > > > > > > > just what people mean by it. Just what is “greed?” Some > people > > > (no > > > > > > > > names) toss this word off their fingertips all the time and > > > frankly I > > > > > > > > HAVE HAD ENOUGH. > > > > > > > > > > Webster defines this word as… > > > > > > > > : a selfish and excessive desire for more of something (as > money) > > > > > than > > > > > > > > is needed. > > > > > > > > > > Ok, let’s take a more careful look at that definition. Let’s > say > > > a > > > > > > > > very rich person spends a million dollars on a painting that > he > > > just > > > > > > > > loves. He thinks this painting is so remarkable, so > beautiful, > > > that > > > > > > > > he is willing to buy it for a million dollars so he can look > at > > > it > > > > > > > > every day in his house. Me personally? I would never spend > a > > > > > > > > million dollars on a painting, but that is just me. That > > > painting, > > > > > or > > > > > > > > ANY painting, is not something I am interested in buying at > that > > > > > > > > price, even if I was filthy rich. But the things that I buy > > > would > > > > > > > > curl your hair as they might seem so “strange” to YOU, but > not to > > > me. > > > > > > > > Everybody is different, and this is a very important thing to > > > > > > > > consider. NOBODY can judge what another person finds > important, > > > > > > > > interesting, beautiful, desirable, or worthwhile. (Just look > at > > > your > > > > > > > > hairstyle…smily thingee goes here) > > > > > > > > > > The question is…is that greed? I don’t think so. Is buying > > > anything > > > > > > > > that one does not “need” greed? Hell no! you better check > your > > > > > > > > inventory of your life if that is the case, you would find > that > > > every > > > > > > > > human on earth is greedy, and therefore the definition is > > > rendered > > > > > > > > meaningless. The definition clearly states “an EXCESSIVE > desire > > > for > > > > > > > > MORE of SOMETHING” > > > > > > > > > > This says to me that greed is only achieved when you > already > > > HAVE > > > > > > > > “enough” of this particular “thing” and yet you want more > anyway. > > > > > You > > > > > > > > want more than you can actually “benefit” from because you > > > already > > > > > > > > have “it” THAT is greed. When you “hoard” something for > no > > > > > reason, > > > > > > > > and NOT when you simply “want” something that you don’t have. > > > > > Wanting > > > > > > > > something IS NOT GREED. Get that through your fricking head. > > > > > Wanting > > > > > > > > something that is not “needed” is not greed. Wanting > something > > > you > > > > > > > > already have plenty of is greed. > > > > > > > > > > Which brings us, inevitably, to money. Money can be > turned > > > into > > > > > > > > ANYTHING, so one cannot say that you have a quantity of this > > > > > > > > particular one “thing” that meets the classic definition of > > > greed, > > > > > > > > UNTIL YOU CLARIFY IT. It is not “one thing” it is “anything > I > > > can > > > > > > > > think of” so it must be treated slightly differently. Now, > if > > > you > > > > > > > > want a billion dollars but your actual, realistic “wants and > > > needs” > > > > > > > > are only a million dollars, then you are greedy. But if you > have > > > > > > > > reasonable plans for every single dollar? THAT IS NOT GREED, > THAT > > > IS > > > > > > > > PERFECTLY NORMAL GODDAMIT.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > -- > > ( > > ) > > I_D Allan > > > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -
