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On Dec 29, 8:06 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > Funny thing rigsy, I was talking to somebody somenwhere about this a > few days back. > > It's the parents innit. I mean of coruse it is up to the parents to > provide for thier children experiances to help build these kinds of > skills. > > A parent that does everything for their child and does not let them > struggle (for example) ultimatly (I belive) fails to help to instill > copeing mechanisims in their child. > > On Dec 29, 1:55 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I am not speaking of the destitute, gabby. I am tracing back for a > > reason since there are many advantaged who blow their lives and many > > unfortunate starts that end up quite successful- not only in monetary > > terms. Children are dependent for a number of years upon their parents > > and their society plus a number of other realities. I don't think > > children pay much attention to money for a long time. You assume a > > father's presence and wise character as well as his control/vision. I > > am more interested in how a child developes coping skills, whatever > > the circumstances, and how that plays against his larger cultural/ > > historical milieu. Am also interested in why some people refuse to > > cope. > > > On Dec 29, 7:07 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > "Children arrive without a cent- usually- so it's uphill from thereon!" > > > Boah, rigsy, I'm sorry, I find this logic rather sick and therefore wrong, > > > but I see how it corresponds to the national identity of speakers of > > > utterances of this kind. A child's life does not begin at the moment it > > > arrives at the new land, the promised land, the land that the father can > > > see > > > and has control over. The land you need to scream in order to get your > > > food > > > and then shut your mouth in order to get your cents. Your uphill is > > > downhill > > > for quite a number of mothers and children. > > > > On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 5:14 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > There are scales of the poor- they are not all destitute- what shall > > > > we call them? Maybe our opinions are relative based on what we have > > > > read, observed and experienced. And what drives envy and ambition? > > > > Then we may need a political or historical explanation- or religious. > > > > There is quite a leap from the tombs of those honored in Egypt to the > > > > doctrines of early Christianity regarding life after death. And > > > > doesn't liberalism-progressivism, socialism and communism seek to even > > > > out the classes- and "spread the money around"? Just asking. One might > > > > also trace the recruitment of the military through history- or the > > > > history of labor, for that matter. In fact, there are many different > > > > avenues of approach- modern media and advertising, the industrial > > > > revolution, the varieties of education, the family, etc. The interplay > > > > could be interesting as envy and ambition are simply two of many human > > > > emotions/drives and outcomes are often surprising depending on a > > > > multitude of influences and factors. Also, what are the lofty or > > > > ulterior motives of those in charge- say, the aristocracy, the > > > > wealthy, the clergy, the powerful? Children arrive without a cent- > > > > usually- so it's uphill from thereon! > > > > > On Dec 28, 3:10 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Rigsy I really don't think the poor are driven by envy or ambition.. > > > > where > > > > > envy and ambition seems to show up most is among the rich. The poor > > > > > are > > > > > driven more by survival. One up-man-ship is really pure envy and the > > > > > the > > > > > scale is dependant on the amount of wealth. > > > > > Allan > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 3:28 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Thank you for clarifying your remark, Don. I think we agree. The > > > > > > "poor" may be driven by envy or ambition- which one makes a > > > > > > difference- and even the rich can succumb to envy or a perpetual > > > > > > contest of one-upsmanship. Money is an interesting topic for family > > > > > > histories- follow the money! Cherchez la femme! :-) > > > > > > > On Dec 25, 7:54 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Balanced is good, rigs. I was thinking about those that live > > > > > > > Spartan > > > > > > lives > > > > > > > and judge the rest of us for our excesses. Bland food and > > > > > > > sleeping on > > > > the > > > > > > > floor are not for me. I didn't mean to criticize those that do > > > > > > > prefer > > > > > > these > > > > > > > things for discipline or whatever but I suppose it came out like > > > > that. I > > > > > > > have noticed that some 'poor' people do plenty of judging of > > > > > > > those of > > > > us > > > > > > > that have stuff and I resent it. I guess that came out a little. > > > > > > > > dj > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 6:28 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Why do you think people who have a balanced idea of needs and > > > > > > > > wants > > > > > > > > are "pious" prigs? There are plenty of mediocre rich people > > > > > > > > when it > > > > > > > > comes to talent and ideas. > > > > > > > > > On Dec 23, 12:27 am, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I think you are correct. We can only judge ourselves. Eating > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > food > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > you need is gluttony, btw. Guilty. Hording might be considered > > > > greedy > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > suppose if you're hording what others need now and you are > > > > unlikely > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > it for yourself and yet you still refuse to sell it to or > > > > > > > > > trade > > > > to > > > > > > others > > > > > > > > > that need it more then you. > > > > > > > > > > Taking or buying or collecting or working for only what you > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > sounds > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > a really boring life to me. I want more then what I need. For > > > > > > > > > me > > > > and > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > ones I love. If that is greed then greed is good. Settling for > > > > just > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > need all your life will leave you and yours wallowing in > > > > mediocrity > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > relative poverty. I'll leave that to the pious. I'll wallow > > > > > > > > > in my > > > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > > > dj > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 7:35 AM, [email protected] > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You've had enough? Have people been calling you greedy and > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > disagree with them? > > > > > > > > > > > Greed is the desire for more than you need. You are > > > > > > > > > > correct I > > > > > > think, > > > > > > > > > > that ones needs can only really be suitably defined by the > > > > person > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > need. Art I think must be treated differanlty than say > > > > > > > > > > food. > > > > > > > > > > > If you have enough food and yet desire more, this is greed, > > > > > > easpecily > > > > > > > > > > when you have so much that most gets wasted. > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps then we should talk in terms of supply and waste. > > > > > > > > > > If > > > > it > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > goal to accumilate so much money that you cannot hope to > > > > > > > > > > spend > > > > it > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > in your lifetime, then I would also call that greed. So > > > > intent, > > > > > > > > > > supply, and waste. > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 12, 9:55 am, BB47 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > The word “greed” is tossed out so often and it always > > > > intrigues > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > just what people mean by it. Just what is “greed?” Some > > > > people > > > > > > (no > > > > > > > > > > > names) toss this word off their fingertips all the time > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > frankly I > > > > > > > > > > > HAVE HAD ENOUGH. > > > > > > > > > > > > Webster defines this word as… > > > > > > > > > > > : a selfish and excessive desire for more of something (as > > > > money) > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > is needed. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, let’s take a more careful look at that definition. > > > > > > > > > > > Let’s > > > > say > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > very rich person spends a million dollars on a painting > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > he > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > loves. He thinks this painting is so remarkable, so > > > > beautiful, > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > he is willing to buy it for a million dollars so he can > > > > > > > > > > > look > > > > at > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > every day in his house. Me personally? I would never > > > > > > > > > > > spend > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > million dollars on a painting, but that is just me. That > > > > > > painting, > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > ANY painting, is not something I am interested in buying > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > price, even if I was filthy rich. But the things that I > > > > > > > > > > > buy > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > curl your hair as they might seem so “strange” to YOU, but > > > > not to > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > Everybody is different, and this is a very important > > > > > > > > > > > thing to > > > > > > > > > > > consider. NOBODY can judge what another person finds > > > > important, > > > > > > > > > > > interesting, beautiful, desirable, or worthwhile. (Just > > > > > > > > > > > look > > > > at > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > hairstyle…smily thingee goes here) > > > > > > > > > > > > The question is…is that greed? I don’t think so. Is > > > > > > > > > > > buying > > > > > > anything > > > > > > > > > > > that one does not “need” greed? Hell no! you better > > > > > > > > > > > check > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > inventory of your life if that is the case, you would find > > > > that > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > > > > human on earth is greedy, and therefore the definition is > > > > > > rendered > > > > > > > > > > > meaningless. The definition clearly states “an EXCESSIVE > > > > desire > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > MORE of SOMETHING” > > > > > > > > > > > > This says to me that greed is only achieved when you > > > > already > > > > > > HAVE > > > > > > > > > > > “enough” of this particular “thing” and yet you want more > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
