Lee, do we agree (sorry, Lee, I need to neutralize the misuse of this rhetoric device) that belief is forward oriented and experience backwards? Bringing those two together is no mystical hocus-pocus but everyday survival. Or more praiseworthy: the presence of either/or keeps pushing us forward.
On 7 Apr., 17:43, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > The thing is this may be true, it may not be true. If it is true > though I belive these people would not in turn wish to have the same > happen to them, do you belive the opposite? > > On Apr 7, 4:32 pm, the taoist shaman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > terrorist would LOVE to drop a nuke on us, r u kidding ! they think > > were the devil , they would kill evry man woman and child if they > > could , not evryone is in to all this peace lovein u know ?! some > > still have an old testament frame of mind, we cant forget that and > > become weak , blinded by a candy shell with a shit > > center , hope that did come accross as confrintational > > > [email protected] wrote: > > > Hey Rigsy, > > > > Yes we have learnt through the dropping of atomic weapons on Japan > > > over 60 years ago the devistation of nuclear weapons, do you really > > > think even the most extreame of 'terrorists' would be willing to > > > engage in such mutal destruction? I simply don't believe it will ever > > > happen. > > > > We in the West are very wastefull, we are getting better though as we > > > must, do you really belive that we will not get less wastefull? > > > > Water we have in abundance on this planet, and the rate of change and > > > new inovations inform me that we will find better ways to use it, > > > clean it, and keep it. > > > > I think what it boils down to is a belife in the best of humanity > > > rather than a fear of the worst. > > > > I belive in the best of humanity do you not? > > > > On Apr 7, 1:53 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > We already did use atomic weapons on Japan. What makes you think > > > > terrorists have a conscience in this matter? The Cold War was a > > > > balanced struggle in some ways but wars are now asymmetrical. Does war > > > > have a conscience? > > > > > We- the West- are very wasteful and that is a hard habit to break. > > > > > O- instead of "let them eat cake" we have Michelle's "let them eat > > > > veggies"! Louis XVI thought of yesterday. What about contaminated > > > > soil, water and air to grow those plants? And the use of artesian > > > > wells for irrigation- Kansas, I believe. > > > > > On Apr 7, 6:41 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Heyup Omy, > > > > > > Do I detect a hint of frustration in your last reply to me? > > > > > > Heh don't sweat it mate, re-reading our toing and froing, It seems > > > > > that indeed I got your point, of not the depth of your argument. > > > > > > Basicly you are worreid about our ability now for self anialation, me, > > > > > not so much. I don't see that our chances for this have changed much > > > > > through the years. we have had nuclear power for a long time now, and > > > > > still very few problems with it. Nuclear war, not a chance, I like > > > > > you lived throughthe cold war, I like you remember the real fear of > > > > > nuculaer holocust, I now think that the nucluear deterant is just > > > > > that. > > > > > > GM crops, I have no fear of and think that perhaps such advanments may > > > > > be nessicary with an increasing number of humans on our little > > > > > planet. I mean we have in fact been geneticlay ultering our food > > > > > stock both live and plant for centuries now and probaly longer. What > > > > > differance if that manipulation happens in the lap or by cross > > > > > breeding? > > > > > > You have a great point though with plague and of course we know that > > > > > our war against bacteria is more or less an equal war, with theose > > > > > little criters able to mutate defenses agianst our antibiotics as fast > > > > > as we can make them. Both not really having much to do with our own > > > > > self anialtion though. > > > > > > On Apr 6, 7:30 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Lee, sadly it appears that you miss my point and intention…again! > > > > > > > We are in full agreement about the omnipresent ‘war’ for resources. > > > > > > This is part of nature. (we agree, right?) > > > > > > > Yes, assuming no cataclysmic event, the resulting ‘thinning of the > > > > > > herd’ will occur. (again, we agree, right?) > > > > > > > And, in many ways we are in agreement about Nature and its own laws > > > > > > and rules…right? > > > > > > > The only area we may actually disagree…and what you have not yet > > > > > > addressed includes the more recent possibility of nuclear war and/or > > > > > > contamination of the planet … both of which have the *possibility* > > > > > > of > > > > > > fully destroying life…at least human life. (First time in history > > > > > > this > > > > > > has been possible.) > > > > > > > Also, due to our very recent ability to have mass groups of people > > > > > > travel to all areas of the globe and within just a few hours, we > > > > > > have > > > > > > the very real possibility of having a mass plague…and even members > > > > > > of > > > > > > the medical community say that it is possible that some events would > > > > > > spell the end of humanity…not just some of us. > > > > > > > And, while sort of the opposite of a fight for ‘resources’, the way > > > > > > some are dumping in the ocean, in the soil, in other waters and in > > > > > > the > > > > > > air…all sorts of toxic and other wastes, we have a real possibility > > > > > > for disaster here. > > > > > > > Perhaps we should mention genetic engineering too. Remember about a > > > > > > decade ago when the ‘killer seed’ was developed by Monsanto?...and > > > > > > they were going to use it on a global basis? (Seeds that would not > > > > > > reproduce…just grow once and that would be the end of it.) They use > > > > > > some of these today. And, many biologists have sounded the warning > > > > > > about such misuse of science and the possible global result(s). Of > > > > > > course, this can and does extend to genetic engineering when it > > > > > > comes > > > > > > to plants and animals (including humans)…and all of our foodstuffs. > > > > > > Humanity just does not know the result in most cases. > > > > > > > Of course, as you suggest, overpopulation sort of takes care of > > > > > > itself; unfortunately, the resulting suffering is always great. > > > > > > > So, in most areas I see us in perfect agreement Lee…just possibly in > > > > > > those you haven’t mentioned yet. > > > > > > > On Apr 6, 1:41 am, "[email protected]" > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > The we disagree my dearest Omy! > > > > > > > > I was dwelling on this last night, and what I think is that as > > > > > > > violent > > > > > > > a species as we are if you are correct then the inevitable wars > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > resources will be fought, many people on all sides will die and > > > > > > > thus > > > > > > > the human population will be diminished. > > > > > > > > We are, in common with all other life on this planet, at the > > > > > > > mercy of > > > > > > > mother nature and her natural rules and laws. As such if > > > > > > > compatition > > > > > > > for resources becomes too much, the inevitable outcome is the > > > > > > > thining > > > > > > > of the heard. Nature has many ways of doing this war amongst our > > > > > > > selves is only one tool. > > > > > > > > No mate looking long long term I think this planet will be > > > > > > > sustaining > > > > > > > human life and others for a bloody long time yet, well past my > > > > > > > death > > > > > > > and that of my great grand children. Heh and I intend to live > > > > > > > for at > > > > > > > least another 1000 years. > > > > > > > > Of course you realise that I attach no morality to my words here. > > > > > > > > On Apr 5, 9:48 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Yes, it is common to ignore and/or 'miss' the trend. Of course > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > is "much that is good in humanity and our advances". My > > > > > > > > commentary is > > > > > > > > not intended to deny that. All that is being said is that for > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > first era in human history we are destroying the planet's > > > > > > > > ability to > > > > > > > > support life in many ways. This is all...and there is no special > > > > > > > > 'privy' involved...all it takes is the willingness to research > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > study it. It is clear and obvious to many today. > > > > > > > > > On Apr 5, 8:13 am, "[email protected]" > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Strange how people are I guess. I notice no such trend. In > > > > > > > > > fact I see > > > > > > > > > much that is good in humanity and our advances, I simply do > > > > > > > > > see any > > > > > > > > > evidance that we are moving down a path of self annilhilation > > > > > > > > > and I'm > > > > > > > > > somewhat supprised of your doomsaying here OM. Are you privy > > > > > > > > > to some > > > > > > > > > data that the rest of us are not perhaps? > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 5, 6:10 am, ornamentalmind > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Unless humanity recognizes the unity of all, our current > > > > > > > > > > path towards > > > > > > > > > > self annihilation is unstoppable. > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 4, 6:55 pm, the taoist shaman <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > now MAYBE im a LITTLE CRAZY but it > > > > > > > > > > > seams to > > > > > > > > > > > me that the direction we are hedding ( like a stream > > > > > > > > > > > whose path is > > > > > > > > > > > directed by the mountain as it erodes the mountain , > > > > > > > > > > > until its path > > > > > > > > > > > is eched out , and not easily broken away from ) is in > > > > > > > > > > > the wrong > > > > > > > > > > > direction , ... why ?........ the answer is as vast as > > > > > > > > > > > the expance of > > > > > > > > > > > the void of that which is unknown <------ see anyone can > > > > > > > > > > > sound > > > > > > > > > > > politician like ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > Ash wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Not at all pessimistic Malcolm, I keep hearing > > > > > > > > > > > > depressing news about my old > > > > > > > > > > > > highschool. Teachers overworked, theyve changed it from > > > > > > > > > > > > an alternative to an > > > > > > > > > > > > urban school with higher student ratios. They teach > > > > > > > > > > > > using computers a lot > > > > > > > > > > > > and the kids > > ... > > Erfahren Sie mehr »
