Lee, dear, I don't know how you see things, I cannot look into your head. Only certain members of this group have this mystical ability. What I do is that I read your words in your context. The more I understand your context, the more I understand your words, the more I allow myself to criticize your thoughts.
Belief itself cannot provide any evidence. Belief is based on past experience projected into the future. And past experience is a projection from a future point of view. That's the truth. A truth that is so often misused by the rhetorically educated for their own purpose. That's how it works, the belief business model. On 8 Apr., 11:13, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > As always my dearest Gabby, you have me confussed. > > What do you mean by 'belief is forward oriented and experience > backwards?' > > Are you saying that I see things this way, is that your perception of > my words? what do they even mean? > > Belife is simply belife, that is the understanding of an idea or a > thing with some, little or no evidance. I see no forward or backwards > orinentation in belife, rather it is in the now that belife functions, > it can be changed, and when it does it does so in the present. > > As to experiance, I see that experiance gained in the past is very > relevant for the future, so again I can see both forwards and backward > orinatation. > > On Apr 7, 8:37 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Lee, do we agree (sorry, Lee, I need to neutralize the misuse of this > > rhetoric device) that belief is forward oriented and experience > > backwards? Bringing those two together is no mystical hocus-pocus but > > everyday survival. Or more praiseworthy: the presence of either/or > > keeps pushing us forward. > > > On 7 Apr., 17:43, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > The thing is this may be true, it may not be true. If it is true > > > though I belive these people would not in turn wish to have the same > > > happen to them, do you belive the opposite? > > > > On Apr 7, 4:32 pm, the taoist shaman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > terrorist would LOVE to drop a nuke on us, r u kidding ! they think > > > > were the devil , they would kill evry man woman and child if they > > > > could , not evryone is in to all this peace lovein u know ?! some > > > > still have an old testament frame of mind, we cant forget that and > > > > become weak , blinded by a candy shell with a shit > > > > center , hope that did come accross as confrintational > > > > > [email protected] wrote: > > > > > Hey Rigsy, > > > > > > Yes we have learnt through the dropping of atomic weapons on Japan > > > > > over 60 years ago the devistation of nuclear weapons, do you really > > > > > think even the most extreame of 'terrorists' would be willing to > > > > > engage in such mutal destruction? I simply don't believe it will ever > > > > > happen. > > > > > > We in the West are very wastefull, we are getting better though as we > > > > > must, do you really belive that we will not get less wastefull? > > > > > > Water we have in abundance on this planet, and the rate of change and > > > > > new inovations inform me that we will find better ways to use it, > > > > > clean it, and keep it. > > > > > > I think what it boils down to is a belife in the best of humanity > > > > > rather than a fear of the worst. > > > > > > I belive in the best of humanity do you not? > > > > > > On Apr 7, 1:53 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > We already did use atomic weapons on Japan. What makes you think > > > > > > terrorists have a conscience in this matter? The Cold War was a > > > > > > balanced struggle in some ways but wars are now asymmetrical. Does > > > > > > war > > > > > > have a conscience? > > > > > > > We- the West- are very wasteful and that is a hard habit to break. > > > > > > > O- instead of "let them eat cake" we have Michelle's "let them eat > > > > > > veggies"! Louis XVI thought of yesterday. What about contaminated > > > > > > soil, water and air to grow those plants? And the use of artesian > > > > > > wells for irrigation- Kansas, I believe. > > > > > > > On Apr 7, 6:41 am, "[email protected]" > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Heyup Omy, > > > > > > > > Do I detect a hint of frustration in your last reply to me? > > > > > > > > Heh don't sweat it mate, re-reading our toing and froing, It seems > > > > > > > that indeed I got your point, of not the depth of your argument. > > > > > > > > Basicly you are worreid about our ability now for self > > > > > > > anialation, me, > > > > > > > not so much. I don't see that our chances for this have changed > > > > > > > much > > > > > > > through the years. we have had nuclear power for a long time > > > > > > > now, and > > > > > > > still very few problems with it. Nuclear war, not a chance, I > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > you lived throughthe cold war, I like you remember the real fear > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > nuculaer holocust, I now think that the nucluear deterant is just > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > GM crops, I have no fear of and think that perhaps such > > > > > > > advanments may > > > > > > > be nessicary with an increasing number of humans on our little > > > > > > > planet. I mean we have in fact been geneticlay ultering our food > > > > > > > stock both live and plant for centuries now and probaly longer. > > > > > > > What > > > > > > > differance if that manipulation happens in the lap or by cross > > > > > > > breeding? > > > > > > > > You have a great point though with plague and of course we know > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > our war against bacteria is more or less an equal war, with theose > > > > > > > little criters able to mutate defenses agianst our antibiotics as > > > > > > > fast > > > > > > > as we can make them. Both not really having much to do with our > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > self anialtion though. > > > > > > > > On Apr 6, 7:30 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Lee, sadly it appears that you miss my point and > > > > > > > > intention…again! > > > > > > > > > We are in full agreement about the omnipresent ‘war’ for > > > > > > > > resources. > > > > > > > > This is part of nature. (we agree, right?) > > > > > > > > > Yes, assuming no cataclysmic event, the resulting ‘thinning of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > herd’ will occur. (again, we agree, right?) > > > > > > > > > And, in many ways we are in agreement about Nature and its own > > > > > > > > laws > > > > > > > > and rules…right? > > > > > > > > > The only area we may actually disagree…and what you have not yet > > > > > > > > addressed includes the more recent possibility of nuclear war > > > > > > > > and/or > > > > > > > > contamination of the planet … both of which have the > > > > > > > > *possibility* of > > > > > > > > fully destroying life…at least human life. (First time in > > > > > > > > history this > > > > > > > > has been possible.) > > > > > > > > > Also, due to our very recent ability to have mass groups of > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > travel to all areas of the globe and within just a few hours, > > > > > > > > we have > > > > > > > > the very real possibility of having a mass plague…and even > > > > > > > > members of > > > > > > > > the medical community say that it is possible that some events > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > spell the end of humanity…not just some of us. > > > > > > > > > And, while sort of the opposite of a fight for ‘resources’, the > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > some are dumping in the ocean, in the soil, in other waters and > > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > air…all sorts of toxic and other wastes, we have a real > > > > > > > > possibility > > > > > > > > for disaster here. > > > > > > > > > Perhaps we should mention genetic engineering too. Remember > > > > > > > > about a > > > > > > > > decade ago when the ‘killer seed’ was developed by > > > > > > > > Monsanto?...and > > > > > > > > they were going to use it on a global basis? (Seeds that would > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > reproduce…just grow once and that would be the end of it.) They > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > some of these today. And, many biologists have sounded the > > > > > > > > warning > > > > > > > > about such misuse of science and the possible global result(s). > > > > > > > > Of > > > > > > > > course, this can and does extend to genetic engineering when it > > > > > > > > comes > > > > > > > > to plants and animals (including humans)…and all of our > > > > > > > > foodstuffs. > > > > > > > > Humanity just does not know the result in most cases. > > > > > > > > > Of course, as you suggest, overpopulation sort of takes care of > > > > > > > > itself; unfortunately, the resulting suffering is always great. > > > > > > > > > So, in most areas I see us in perfect agreement Lee…just > > > > > > > > possibly in > > > > > > > > those you haven’t mentioned yet. > > > > > > > > > On Apr 6, 1:41 am, "[email protected]" > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The we disagree my dearest Omy! > > > > > > > > > > I was dwelling on this last night, and what I think is that > > > > > > > > > as violent > > > > > > > > > a species as we are if you are correct then the inevitable > > > > > > > > > wars for > > > > > > > > > resources will be fought, many people on all sides will die > > > > > > > > > and thus > > > > > > > > > the human population will be diminished. > > > > > > > > > > We are, in common with all other life on this planet, at the > > > > > > > > > mercy of > > > > > > > > > mother nature and her natural rules and laws. As such if > > > > > > > > > compatition > > > > > > > > > for resources becomes too much, the inevitable outcome is the > > > > > > > > > thining > > > > > > > > > of the heard. Nature has many ways of doing this war amongst > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > selves is only one tool. > > > > > > > > > > No mate looking long long term I think this planet will be > > > > > > > > > sustaining > > > > > > > > > human life and others for a bloody long time yet, well past > > > > > > > > > my death > > > > > > > > > and that of my great grand children. Heh and I intend to > > > > > > > > > live for at > > > > > > > > > least another 1000 years. > > > > > > > > > > Of course you realise that I attach no morality to my words > > > > > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 5, 9:48 pm, ornamentalmind > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, it is common to ignore and/or 'miss' the trend. Of > > > > > > > > > > course there > > > > > > > > > > is "much that is good in humanity and our advances". My > > > > > > > > > > commentary is > > > > > > > > > > not intended to deny that. All that is being said is that > > > > > > > > > > for the > > > > > > > > > > first era in human history we are destroying the planet's > > > > > > > > > > ability to > > > > > > > > > > support life in many ways. This is all...and there is no > > > > > > > > > > special > > > > > > > > > > 'privy' involved...all it takes is the willingness to > > > > > > > > > > research and > > > > > > > > > > study it. It is clear and obvious to many today. > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 5, 8:13 am, "[email protected]" > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Strange how people are I guess. I notice no such > > ... > > Erfahren Sie mehr »
