Hey Shaman, It's all about rights and where they come from. I contend that rights are granted or taken. That is our goverment may grant us the right to freedom of speech, but other rights we need to take.
For example lets take Libya at this present moment. Some of the people of Libya are fed up with their ruler, so they have undertaken a revolt. If they succed in overthrowing their goverment this means that that have taken the right to replace their goverment. If they fail then they have no right. what good is haveing a rioght if you cannot hold or protect it? If the rest of the Western world intercede on their behalf we have granted this right to them. Here in the UK we are celebrating the 30th aniversay of the Brixton riots, now renamed the Brixton uprissing BTW. This is fine example of rights being taken. The Balck community of Brixton back in 1982 where fed up with the polices abusement of their stop and search powers, their uprising effected a real change in these powers, the law and indeed the whole police force. Both fine example of rights being taken and militant action to take these, and keep these rights. On Apr 9, 4:41 am, the taoist shaman <[email protected]> wrote: > hows that lee ? define rubbish gov. - if theres a snake in the > grass , do you set the grass on fire , or do you refrain in fear of > being burnt , or worse burning someone else , but if u dont set the > fire and someone gets bit ; ? > > > > [email protected] wrote: > > Militant action is valid in many circumstanes, the least of which > > would be the overthrowing of a rubbish goverment or other regeime. > > > On Apr 8, 5:37 am, malcymo <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Yes. Militant anything is frightful isn't it? > > > > So now we get to the question of when is militant action valid? > > > > I hope you have time to get hold of a copy of Grayling's book. > > > > I would like to hear more on the subject. > > > > Malc > > > > On Apr 7, 11:19 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > First, thank you Malcolm for referencing this book! I hadn’t heard > > > > about it yet. > > > > > As to your question(s)…Grayling and numerous others…for a long time > > > > now have had ‘an argument for the active promotion of atheism’. So, > > > > since this is nothing new…I’m not sure that it should be taken as > > > > such. And, following your wording, even allowing a quick fantasy of > > > > militant evangelical atheist is fraught with the same horror of > > > > militant evangelical theists! > > > > > In any sense…to give any debate about such activities, specifics will > > > > have to be presented and I just have not read the book…although I have > > > > heard him and his ilk talk. Here is one recent interview: > > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNCc336QgUQ > > > > > His deification of rationalism seems to be at the center of his thesis… > > > > and for the purpose of our debate here and now, I’ll say that such a > > > > stance is but an act of polarization and dialectics with a result of a > > > > stance that is not integrated. > > > > > There is nothing ‘wrong’ with ideation as there is nothing ‘wrong’ > > > > with knowledge when the subjectivity of words and concepts is not > > > > addressed. > > > > > On Apr 7, 3:18 am, malcymo <[email protected]> wrote:> I do not believe > > > > that a supreme being created the universe etc. > > > > > > Until today, I have accepted the existence of religions on the > > > > > grounds > > > > > that they give hope and faith to many in the face of adversity and > > > > > promote certain moral values. > > > > > > This week A C Grayling brought out his book "The Good Book - A > > > > > secular > > > > > bible". In interview he stated that theism is harmful to individuals > > > > > and society. Although his thoughts on this were nor expanded. > > > > > > I live in Fiji and cannot get a copy of his book but I would like to > > > > > hear his argument on this matter. Ie Why he thinks that theism is > > > > > harmful. > > > > > > I have found nothing of depth on the web. > > > > > > If he is indeed correct then there is an argument for the active > > > > > promotion of atheism. Perhaps we can become missionaries in the human > > > > > cause. > > > > > > What say you?- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
