OM the reason we practice etiquette is out of curtasy to others or because we have empathy unless its practiced out of covering your own back ( fake )
gabbydott wrote: > In your given example, where you say you have learned to stand the presence > of your father being in the same room with you, self-awareness means more > than just selfishness, yes. Was it meditation in the sense of sitting and > excluding your senses that brought you there? In my experience it has been > the exposure to live that has made me more self-aware. Plus the following > refection, of course. Which is what we are doing here, isn't it? > > On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 1:07 PM, [email protected] < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Perhaps, Gabs, but would you say to be self aware means more than a > > hint of selfishness? > > > > To be self aware one must of course have meditated on ones self, this > > in itself is means time dedicated to selfishness, or would you > > disagree? > > > > On Apr 14, 11:42 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > How about self-awareness instead of selfishness, Lee? Wouldn't that be > > > closer to the point? > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 12:23 PM, [email protected] < > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > Shaman, > > > > > > > Granted it is difficult, not impossible though. One of the lesser > > > > aprciated 'things' about the golden rule is it's basis in > > > > selfishness. Yep that is correct, it is not a typo. > > > > > > > If I want to be able to live in a mannor of my choosing(as long as I > > > > attempt harm to none other with my choices, and said choices are > > > > within the scope of the law of the land) then I must accord every > > > > indivdual the same curtersy or be righfully accused of hypocracy. > > > > > > > But the emphasis is 'I', if I want to live as 'I' will. > > > > > > > So then I owe it to myself to rid myself of those who may cuase me > > > > harm in whatever mannor. That includes for me personaly my father. > > > > Our reletionship has always been strained, and indeedI choose to cut > > > > him from my life for a bloody long time. Now of course whilst not > > > > great, at least we can be in the same room as each other for an > > > > evening with me wanting to deck him or he me. > > > > > > > On Apr 13, 9:43 pm, the taoist shaman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > its difficult to walk away from family lee . > > > > > > > > [email protected] wrote: > > > > > > Hahah Shaman, Then let me intruduce myself. > > > > > > > > > Hey hello, I'm Lee, I live in London, in the UK, I place great > > store > > > > > > in the Golden rule, nice to meetcha! > > > > > > > > > I know exactly what you mean mate, people can be awful to each > > other, > > > > > > it gets me down sometimes, but then I can't control how other > > people > > > > > > are towards each other I can only control how I am towards other > > > > > > people. > > > > > > > > > Myself, you'll get chance after chance after chance with me, yep my > > > > > > wife says to me, 'Lee why do you let people walk all over you?' I > > > > > > reply 'That is not the way I see it babe, people can treat me how > > they > > > > > > will, if I don't like I can always just walk away.' > > > > > > > > > On Apr 13, 2:46 pm, the taoist shaman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > edicit is fake and it is dishonesty to appease others and cover > > your > > > > > > > own ass , the way i treat others has nothing to do with the way i > > get > > > > > > > treated . my kindness is seen as weekness to be exploited , > > people > > > > > > > treat me how they want depending on there mood. no one gives a > > crap > > > > > > > about anyone but themselves . are there others who abide by the > > > > golden > > > > > > > rule , shure probably , but iv never met anyone who doesnt try to > > > > make > > > > > > > themselves freel better by makeing someone else feel bad about > > > > > > > themselves . its all a game of one up s menship , people are > > pathetic > > > > > > > discusting abominations to life itself . or maybe its just > > my > > > > > > > that family has destroyed my faith in humanity , sometimes the > > worst > > > > > > > examples are the best of what not to be , > > > > > > > > > > edicit is a thing of adaptation , morphing from 1 crowd to the > > next , > > > > > > > " gotta play the game son " my dad always says , thats BS , i > > dont > > > > > > > play games of one ups menship , i dont love argument and > > > > confrontation > > > > > > > the way others seem to , i dont argue because i dont care , i > > dont > > > > lie > > > > > > > to save someones feeling because lieing is wrong , i used try to > > be > > > > > > > curtious to people i dont know so thing dont get started on the > > wrong > > > > > > > foot but how can a relationship be based on dishonesty . i mingle > > > > with > > > > > > > the rich the poor the just and the unjust the foolish and the > > wize > > > > the > > > > > > > curtious and discurtious , but i treat them all the same . > > > > > > > premeditated expectations/judgment causes others to treat others > > with > > > > > > > poor edicit / lack of respect , people like that dont deserve a > > 2nd > > > > > > > chance but should be given one out of edicit . > > > > > > > > > > does there come a point where u stop turning the other cheek and > > say > > > > > > > F. U. ? > > > > > > > > > > rigsy03 wrote: > > > > > > > > Life is usually great for those "at the top"- the "glory that > > was > > > > > > > > Greece and the grandeur that was Rome", etc. > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 13, 6:22 am, "[email protected]" < > > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hey Chuck, > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I can agree that the world is a hell of a lot better than > > it > > > > was a > > > > > > > > > thousand years ago, although this of course must remain a > > guess > > > > or at > > > > > > > > > least a belife yes? > > > > > > > > > > > > The question though was one about humanities movements. We > > still > > > > > > > > > suffer anger and jelousy, you I gather are a citizen of the > > USA? > > > > Where > > > > > > > > > gun ownership is active, and why is that so if as you say > > 'The > > > > US > > > > > > > > > population is greater than the entire world population in 1 > > AD > > > > and > > > > > > > > > yet we live peacefully under a single set of laws' > > > > > > > > > > > > If this was true then each American citersen would simply > > give up > > > > > > > > > their guns, as there would be no need for them and no fear to > > > > keep > > > > > > > > > them. The fear is still there. > > > > > > > > > > > > Have we even taken some steps backward? > > > > > > > > > > > > When older people say tings like 'ohhh yeah we used to be > > able to > > > > keep > > > > > > > > > our front doors unlocked' are they lying to us, or did they > > > > really > > > > > > > > > feel safe enough with their naigbours to do exaclty that? > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope we may have made siome forwards movement, but naaa not > > > > really, we > > > > > > > > > as a species have not changed that much at all. Ohh yeah we > > have > > > > > > > > > become more inteleghent, or is that even true? > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 9, 4:06 am, Chuck <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 30, 4:00 am, "[email protected]" < > > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would guess we are staying roughtly in the same place. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We still have war, we still have despots clinging to > > power we > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > have shady democracy and the haves and have nots. We > > have > > > > patriotism, > > > > > > > > > > > we have religious strife, we have those that are oppresed > > and > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > that oppress. No we have not moved far at all in the > > > > millenia that > > > > > > > > > > > our species ceased to crawl on four legs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I disagree. The human population in 1 AD was estimated at > > > > between 200 > > > > > > > > > > and 300 million people. The current world population is 20 > > to > > > > 30 times > > > > > > > > > > that and yet there are far fewer turf wars between nations > > and > > > > tribes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a loose international consensus and cooperation > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > developed nations on global issues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The US population is greater than the entire world > > population > > > > in 1 AD > > > > > > > > > > and yet we live peacefully under a single set of laws. The > > same > > > > goes > > > > > > > > > > for Europe, China, most of Asia and the continents in the > > > > southern > > > > > > > > > > hemisphere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's true that there is still conflict in the world but > > it's > > > > mostly > > > > > > > > > > from third world countries where resources are strained and > > > > when it > > > > > > > > > > gets too bloody either the US or the UN will step in to > > > > mediate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The world isn't perfect but it's a hell of a lot better > > than it > > > > was a > > > > > > > > > > thousand years ago.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
