To me, what Chuck said about ‘dependence’ is of utmost importance here. All subjective things are dependent.
On May 3, 9:30 pm, the taoist shaman <[email protected]> wrote: > PSK if at some point someones conciousness dident tell them not to be > selfish then how is it possible that you were ever told not to be > selfish ? > > > > > > > > pol.science kid wrote: > > selfishness is contrary to collective consciousness true..but isnt > > that the most real thing about us..i wonder..i wasnt told that > > selfishness is bad...would my conscience strike me...keep me in > > check...because...sometimes...my thoughts...they shock and repulse > > me... i loathe myself for having such thoughts..and then i > > wonder...if that is not me...but it is me...it is hard ...to know that > > oyu are what you might condemn in someone else...and so i ask > > often... > > > On May 3, 1:04 pm, the taoist shaman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > PSK selfishness arouses discontent because it is contrary to > > > collective consciousness , try reading the meditations of marcus > > > auralius chapter 2 verse 1 from the harvard classics . > > > > gabbydott wrote: > > > > From a top-down perspective this is correct. But I understood that PSK > > > > asked > > > > for individual responses from each of us. > > > > > On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:09 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > But you have to admit there are humans who haven't the chance to even > > > > > consider this type of thinking as their lives are miserable due to > > > > > poverty, war, sickness and all other ills. Plus- what does a culture > > > > > celebrate? Wealth? Power? Etc.? You can hardly fault some for buying a > > > > > false self and image if that is what their culture teaches them, can > > > > > you? It takes a brave rebel to contradict society or challenge group > > > > > thought. > > > > > > On May 2, 12:20 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > If the selfish would truly search their self, they'd quickly die > > > > > > out. > > > > > > Problem is how they don't see themselves but see themselves in the > > > > > > others > > > > > > with the poor others not knowing that they are not taken for > > > > > > themselves > > > > > but > > > > > > for someone else. My explanation. > > > > > > > On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 6:57 PM, pol.science kid > > > > > > <[email protected] > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > at the first glance of your reply came a thought to my mind about > > > > > > > collective consciousness...rather a question...does the collective > > > > > > > consciousness exist independently...what does it mean > > > > > > > exactly...to put > > > > > it > > > > > > > crudely is it the realisation that you are not the only > > > > > > > phenomena..but > > > > > what > > > > > > > i feel is....it is very difficult to transcend ones own > > > > > > > person...but is > > > > > it > > > > > > > important....why do we really get irritated with self absorbed or > > > > > > > self > > > > > > > seeking people....why do we condemn selfishness..in any > > > > > > > sense...are we > > > > > so > > > > > > > insecure as to feel deprived because of that ...or is it something > > > > > more.. i > > > > > > > hope i make sense.. and i hope you get waht i am trying to ask...i > > > > > would > > > > > > > like all to answer...cos i really want to know.... > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 7:36 PM, DarkwaterBlight < > > > > > [email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > >> This take appeals to my understanding. Perpetually changing, > > > > > > >> evolving > > > > > > >> and reforming. Input has an outcome and causes an expanded "mind > > > > > > >> space", if you will. Is logic all logical and what is to be said > > > > > > >> about > > > > > > >> rationalizing the "irrational"? Should my thinking be correct by > > > > > > >> the > > > > > > >> standards of others or to my own? What of "raising the bar" in > > > > > > >> consciousness and of a paradigm shift to a more correct thinking > > > > > > >> of > > > > > > >> our "collective mind" ? Of all that goes into into thought and > > > > > > >> mind is > > > > > > >> this not the desired effect? > > > > > > > >> On Apr 30, 9:23 am, "pol.science kid" <[email protected]> > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > >> > might thought be colored by the mind that engages it ....what > > > > > > >> > is the > > > > > > >> realm > > > > > > >> > of pure thought that you mention here .... is it logic and > > > > > > >> > rationalisation...do you mean the method of employing that > > > > > > >> thought...because > > > > > > >> > ....knowing...percieving something for the first time the mind > > > > > > >> > will > > > > > > >> > automatically fall back on the things it thinks it does > > > > > > >> > know.... > > > > > > > >> > On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Chad Moore <[email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > >> > > Knowledge unites, in being or in identity. Thinking > > > > > > >> > > separates, in > > > > > > >> > > subject-object relationship. > > > > > > >> > > Knowing has no place in the ordinary thought process. > > > > > > >> > > Thinking > > > > > about > > > > > > >> > > something > > > > > > >> > > which has to be known is wrong, since it moves in a vicious > > > > > circle. > > > > > > >> You > > > > > > >> > > cannot think > > > > > > >> > > of anything you have not known. Such thinking can never take > > > > > > >> > > you > > > > > to > > > > > > >> the > > > > > > >> > > Truth. > > > > > > >> > > But when you direct your thought to something (say yourself) > > > > > > >> > > which > > > > > you > > > > > > >> have > > > > > > >> > > otherwise > > > > > > >> > > visualized, the thought loses its own characteristics and > > > > > > >> > > limits, > > > > > and > > > > > > >> > > stands > > > > > > >> > > revealed as that Self (Consciousness) itself. Thought is thus > > > > > reduced > > > > > > >> into > > > > > > >> > > its essence. > > > > > > > >> > -- > > > > > > >> > \--/ Peace- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > >> > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > \--/ Peace- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -
