By objective I generally mean anything that is a shared common experience. For instance, gravity is a shared common experience. My list of people who are not physically attracted to the Earth is very short.
Your ability to breath is dependent upon your proximity to the ground due to the fact that the Earth's atmosphere gets thinner the higher you go. Another shared common experience is kinetic energy. Most people who are hit with a 100 mph fast ball react in a very similar manner - they drop to the ground with a concussion. Here your health is dependent upon your ability to avoid 100 mph fast balls. Matter is a shared common experience. Running into a brick wall at full speed generally has the same result for anybody who tries it. See above for dependencies. ;) On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 11:10 PM, ornamentalmind <[email protected]>wrote: > "All objective things are dependent in some way also. Just in a > different > way. .." - CB > > Would you mind giving a list of at least a few things that you > consider to be objective? At the outset I have little doubt that we > are dealing with an issue of semantics; however we can continue to > discuss it, no? > My point is that *anything* that is dependent is by definition > subjective. > > On May 4, 1:06 pm, Chuck Bowling <[email protected]> > wrote: > > All objective things are dependent in some way also. Just in a different > > way. > > > > I think subjective things are dependent in the way we associate them with > > each other. Objective things are more physically dependent. > > > > On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 11:46 PM, ornamentalmind > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To me, what Chuck said about ‘dependence’ is of utmost importance > > > here. All subjective things are dependent. > > > > > On May 3, 9:30 pm, the taoist shaman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > PSK if at some point someones conciousness dident tell them not to > be > > > > selfish then how is it possible that you were ever told not to be > > > > selfish ? > > > > > > pol.science kid wrote: > > > > > selfishness is contrary to collective consciousness true..but isnt > > > > > that the most real thing about us..i wonder..i wasnt told that > > > > > selfishness is bad...would my conscience strike me...keep me in > > > > > check...because...sometimes...my thoughts...they shock and repulse > > > > > me... i loathe myself for having such thoughts..and then i > > > > > wonder...if that is not me...but it is me...it is hard ...to know > that > > > > > oyu are what you might condemn in someone else...and so i ask > > > > > often... > > > > > > > On May 3, 1:04 pm, the taoist shaman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > PSK selfishness arouses discontent because it is contrary to > > > > > > collective consciousness , try reading the meditations of > marcus > > > > > > auralius chapter 2 verse 1 from the harvard classics . > > > > > > > > gabbydott wrote: > > > > > > > From a top-down perspective this is correct. But I understood > that > > > PSK asked > > > > > > > for individual responses from each of us. > > > > > > > > > On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:09 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > But you have to admit there are humans who haven't the chance > to > > > even > > > > > > > > consider this type of thinking as their lives are miserable > due > > > to > > > > > > > > poverty, war, sickness and all other ills. Plus- what does a > > > culture > > > > > > > > celebrate? Wealth? Power? Etc.? You can hardly fault some for > > > buying a > > > > > > > > false self and image if that is what their culture teaches > them, > > > can > > > > > > > > you? It takes a brave rebel to contradict society or > challenge > > > group > > > > > > > > thought. > > > > > > > > > > On May 2, 12:20 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > If the selfish would truly search their self, they'd > quickly > > > die out. > > > > > > > > > Problem is how they don't see themselves but see themselves > in > > > the others > > > > > > > > > with the poor others not knowing that they are not taken > for > > > themselves > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > for someone else. My explanation. > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 6:57 PM, pol.science kid < > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > at the first glance of your reply came a thought to my > mind > > > about > > > > > > > > > > collective consciousness...rather a question...does the > > > collective > > > > > > > > > > consciousness exist independently...what does it mean > > > exactly...to put > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > crudely is it the realisation that you are not the only > > > phenomena..but > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > i feel is....it is very difficult to transcend ones own > > > person...but is > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > important....why do we really get irritated with self > > > absorbed or self > > > > > > > > > > seeking people....why do we condemn selfishness..in any > > > sense...are we > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > insecure as to feel deprived because of that ...or is it > > > something > > > > > > > > more.. i > > > > > > > > > > hope i make sense.. and i hope you get waht i am trying > to > > > ask...i > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > like all to answer...cos i really want to know.... > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 7:36 PM, DarkwaterBlight < > > > > > > > > [email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> This take appeals to my understanding. Perpetually > changing, > > > evolving > > > > > > > > > >> and reforming. Input has an outcome and causes an > expanded > > > "mind > > > > > > > > > >> space", if you will. Is logic all logical and what is to > be > > > said about > > > > > > > > > >> rationalizing the "irrational"? Should my thinking be > > > correct by the > > > > > > > > > >> standards of others or to my own? What of "raising the > bar" > > > in > > > > > > > > > >> consciousness and of a paradigm shift to a more correct > > > thinking of > > > > > > > > > >> our "collective mind" ? Of all that goes into into > thought > > > and mind is > > > > > > > > > >> this not the desired effect? > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Apr 30, 9:23 am, "pol.science kid" < > [email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> > might thought be colored by the mind that engages it > > > ....what is the > > > > > > > > > >> realm > > > > > > > > > >> > of pure thought that you mention here .... is it logic > and > > > > > > > > > >> > rationalisation...do you mean the method of employing > that > > > > > > > > > >> thought...because > > > > > > > > > >> > ....knowing...percieving something for the first time > the > > > mind will > > > > > > > > > >> > automatically fall back on the things it thinks it > does > > > know.... > > > > > > > > > > > >> > On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Chad Moore < > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> > > Knowledge unites, in being or in identity. Thinking > > > separates, in > > > > > > > > > >> > > subject-object relationship. > > > > > > > > > >> > > Knowing has no place in the ordinary thought > process. > > > Thinking > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > >> > > something > > > > > > > > > >> > > which has to be known is wrong, since it moves in a > > > vicious > > > > > > > > circle. > > > > > > > > > >> You > > > > > > > > > >> > > cannot think > > > > > > > > > >> > > of anything you have not known. Such thinking can > never > > > take you > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > >> the > > > > > > > > > >> > > Truth. > > > > > > > > > >> > > But when you direct your thought to something (say > > > yourself) which > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > >> have > > > > > > > > > >> > > otherwise > > > > > > > > > >> > > visualized, the thought loses its own > characteristics > > > and limits, > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > >> > > stands > > > > > > > > > >> > > revealed as that Self (Consciousness) itself. > Thought is > > > thus > > > > > > > > reduced > > > > > > > > > >> into > > > > > > > > > >> > > its essence. > > > > > > > > > > > >> > -- > > > > > > > > > >> > \--/ Peace- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > >> > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > \--/ Peace- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - >
