Hahah no I mean robotic work force. I mean no employment for us humans, robots take care of it all, including repair of broken robots.
We can then pursue other things, as the state/s take care of our nessicitys/luxeries brought about by the work of our slave robots! It is truely scary this consumerisim, I have seen it increase in my short time on this planet, and it seems that things that where not counted as commodities a few years back are now so. Money brings you all that you say, and of course you need it to live, to pay bills, to buy food. I don't think it is money persay that is the problem, and I guess you are right, a barter system is open to the same flaws, I think it is this growing commoditisation of things and consummerisation of life that is to blame. It is the age old issue, the haves and the have nots. Make sure then that we all have, or that we all not. Ahhh but that is the raving Socialist in me speaking. On May 23, 2:08 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > You mean a stay-at-home mom in the traditional sense? (Stepford wife.) > > The next gold/oil will be water as some of us have agreed many times. > > To replace money, we could return to a barter system but that would > also be uneven/unfair depending upon demand and supply and even what > categories would constitute value. > > What does money provide? Security, first of all, but this can be > tricky. Most seem to expend money to make more money or purchase > luxury goods so status is another aim. Control: if a nation's wealth > is worthless or inflated, so goes the ballgame; or if one's nation is > in debt or trapped in a cycle of expensive wars or nature/climate > impose frequent emergencies, stress on the food supply, etc. The > culture is also a culprit: what are its everyday values? Is a nation > shortsighted, flaky, uneducated, so on an so forth. Who makes the most > money in a culture? That's a real test of what a country values. > > Thrift is a lowly virtue- nearly distained. So is labor: sedentary > classes must diet or join gyms/country clubs, employ servants, etc. > (My neighbor "gave" me her lawn guy- he is half the fee of my former % > $#&*%. She was also his customer- once. We decided he is having a mid- > life crisis. :-) ) > > On May 23, 6:55 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > Shaman, > > > I have actualy given some thought to this and the most viable idea > > that I have is.......... > > > Robotic work force! > > > On May 23, 12:52 pm, the taoist shaman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > hell ya lee , it will probably bring itself to an end with the > > > disappearance of oil , or a bunch of people could put there > > > organisational skills together and force an end to come , che took out > > > cuba with 28 dudes and some AKs. brand new ak47 = 600$ , but thats a > > > last resort ,..... have you read the art of war by sun tzu , actual > > > combat is very expensive and risky ,--- a war againt $ -- sounds more > > > plosable than the war on drugs , which was created to generate $ . > > > there is nothing i hate more than $ , and there is nothing i wouldnt > > > do to stop it , but as you say how? if someone did have a way , and > > > put it on the internet , they would probably be arrested ! > > > > [email protected] wrote: > > > > It all comes down to money in the end don't it, or rather as the Bible > > > > says the love of it. > > > > > Money the great Satan that stops otherwise good people from acting in > > > > a moraly correct way. > > > > > Meh! I'd like to see the end of it, but how are we ever to see that I > > > > wonder? > > > > > On May 21, 12:50 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > The cost of prison is about the same as education. I have heard the > > > > > figure as $30,000. but maybe it has gone up. > > > > > > What about abortion? That saves money. > > > > > > What about the final costs of health care for the aged? Should we just > > > > > send them a cyanide capsule? > > > > > > The history of mankind is violent punctuated with periods of peace/ > > > > > altruism. Beyond resources, wealth and power what is the spur? > > > > > > On May 19, 11:22 am, "[email protected]" > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Yep I think that the cost of appeals is proably what helps whack the > > > > > > overall cost up. > > > > > > > But you take a strange stance here for a person who has previously > > > > > > said that you disagree with the dealth penalty because you can't > > > > > > trust > > > > > > the judicial system to get it right. > > > > > > > Now you say that the appeals process should be scrapped in certian > > > > > > cases, isn't that a little bit contradictory? > > > > > > > On May 19, 4:29 pm, Chuck Bowling <[email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I notice that the cost of lifetime imprisonment is folded into > > > > > > > the cost of > > > > > > > the death penalty in cases where it's overturned. I would guess > > > > > > > that this > > > > > > > probably counts for a large portion of the money attributed to > > > > > > > overall cost. > > > > > > > > In addition, I don't know how it is in other countries but in the > > > > > > > US > > > > > > > convicts can stall the death penalty almost indefinitely with > > > > > > > appeals. This > > > > > > > also adds huge costs. In cases where the evidence is > > > > > > > incontrovertible I > > > > > > > think the appeals process should be constrained to mitigate costs. > > > > > > > > On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 9:08 AM, [email protected] < > > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > This from one source: > > > > > > > > >http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/issues/death-penalty/us-death-pena... > > > > > > > > > And to counteract any bias from this source: > > > > > > > > > This from Fox?! > > > > > > > > >http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/03/27/just-cost-death-penalty-killer-s... > > > > > > > > > Myself I'm not sure, so as I say the jury is still outon this > > > > > > > > question as far as I'm concerend. > > > > > > > > > On May 19, 2:41 pm, Chuck Bowling > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I don't know what the current cost is but 10 years ago the > > > > > > > > > cost of > > > > > > > > housing > > > > > > > > > an inmate was over $50,000 a year. Assuming a 40 year life > > > > > > > > > sentence that > > > > > > > > > would be over 2 million. I'm pretty sure you can kill someone > > > > > > > > > for less. > > > > > > > > > Hell, I'd do it for half that... > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 4:41 AM, [email protected] > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sorry Chuck totaly missed this one: > > > > > > > > > > > I disagree. Killing a killer has value. > > > > > > > > > > > It removes a threat from society. > > > > > > > > > > It frees up resources needed to protect the society from > > > > > > > > > > that killer. > > > > > > > > > > It provides a deterrent against other killings. > > > > > > > > > > > So does life in prision. > > > > > > > > > > The jury is still out on that one as to cost re lifes > > > > > > > > > > imprisioment and > > > > > > > > > > cost of the dealth penalty. > > > > > > > > > > For that single indivdual yes. > > > > > > > > > > > On May 19, 1:12 am, Chuck Bowling > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 5:23 AM, > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected] < > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Why should we not? > > > > > > > > > > > > Why should we not what? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Should we instead make our selfs guilty of the same > > > > > > > > > > > > behaviour that > > > > > > > > > > > > seems universal reprehensabile? Should we then sink to > > > > > > > > > > > > that level > > > > > > > > > > > > ourselves? Two wrongs don't make a right and all that. > > > > > > > > > > > > My original point was that life is cheap. We don't kill > > > > > > > > > > > because it's > > > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > or wrong. We kill for expediency. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The point is to maintian that moral superiority. If a > > > > > > > > > > > > man steals > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > me, can I then steal from him? Wouldn't that make me > > > > > > > > > > > > also a theif? > > > > > > > > > > > > Personally I don't claim any kind of superiority - moral > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > otherwise. If > > > > > > > > > > > somebody steals from me I'll try to steal back my > > > > > > > > > > > property and > > > > > > > > possibly > > > > > > > > > > > anything else that happens to be lying around. I may even > > > > > > > > > > > give the > > > > > > > > guy a > > > > > > > > > > > punch in the nose on the way out the door. If you want to > > > > > > > > > > > call me a > > > > > > > > thief > > > > > > > > > > > for it go ahead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > revenge killings as we know only lead to further > > > > > > > > > > > > revenge killings. > > > > > > > > We > > > > > > > > > > > > have here in the UK a growing youth gang problem, with > > > > > > > > > > > > kids killing > > > > > > > > > > > > other kids for slights imagined or otherwise, and then > > > > > > > > > > > > in turn the > > > > > > > > > > > > other gang of kids killing members of the ther other > > > > > > > > > > > > gang. Is that > > > > > > > > > > > > right, it is the correct behaviour? > > > > > > > > > > > > This just leads into the whole argument - is war right or > > > > > > > > > > > wrong. Is > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > for a street gang to retaliate when it's territory is > > > > > > > > > > > breached by a > > > > > > > > rival > > > > > > > > > > > gang? If no then why is it right for nations to do the > > > > > > > > > > > same thing? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Killing a killer makes no logical sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > I disagree. 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