Yes- I read the complete article. Thank you. Very disturbing. Is this related to the Fairness Doctrine? I must say I am falling behind in technology when I was once in the vanguard! (The days of C-64, VHS, microwaves, etc. Lately, I have felt the whole business tiresome although two of my children are current. Anyway, I am getting PCWorld since so much hardware was delivered prior to my daughter's visit and so I have totally faked out our sweet mailman! :-))
As to Eleanor, Bess and Mamie they did reflect the idea of a matron and still had some of that bulk and raw boned look of the day but that really did change with Jackie and future wives, I think. There were scads of glamourous women during that time but they primarily dwelt in fashion, society or entertainment. I think there was a certain expectation of older wives and women that changed although it's not always wise to play the fashionista or sex kitten and afterall, older men change a great deal with age as well. It's all very superficial. On May 25, 12:20 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > Actually, it is my understanding rigs that both Bess and Mamie were > excellent examples of the fashions at the time. The only reason this > may not seem to be the case today is that fashions change. In most > cases, what those in power do (including dress standards) is > attractive to most people for some reason or another. > > What bothers me more today since we have lost the constitutional > protection against corporations is things like this. If you watch it, > please do so to the very end. > > http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/05/17/976725/-Jon-Stewart-warns-of... > > On May 25, 6:20 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Good example, ornamentalmind! Plus FDR used the media of his day- > > Fireside Chats and news films- even to the staging of hiding his > > paralysis. Churchill is another example of the theatrics of politics. > > I guess I was thinking more of the impact of television and photo-ops > > plus the silence/bias of reporting but the ancients also used p.r. Now > > the internet is also a factor. And exposure to candid photos, security > > cameras, bugs, leaks... But did women want to look/dress like Bess > > Truman or Mamie Eisenhower? No. That was a new impact with Jackie-O. > > Still, there are other historical/fashion examples and influences- > > Marie Antoinette, for example. But what is the effect of this image > > making on politics and government? > > > On May 24, 9:44 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zHN4vCfwh4 > > > > On May 24, 5:39 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Actually, the media circus began with the Kennedys in our day and age > > > > but there are plenty of examples from our past, as well. Jefferson > > > > used nasty pamphlets, Jackson, etc. > > > > > On May 24, 7:30 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > In my opinion, politics have turned into a form of entertainment- esp. > > > > > since Bill Clinton. I have thought that a single tv or radio channel > > > > > should be reserved for political debate/election purposes...but who > > > > > would watch/listen? Perhaps the public needs the celebrity aspect to > > > > > get interested and even the aristocracy maintained/maintains > > > > > spectacle. I doubt the Founding Fathers would recognize our present > > > > > democracy- or approve it- they might consider it mob rule by the > > > > > lowest common denominator- the uneducated and easily swayed. > > > > > > Well, let's not dally with despair! Solomon died ruined for all his > > > > > wisdom- many interesting figures/leaders crash one way or another plus > > > > > there's death! > > > > > > Money/power is considered the root of all evil- probably because it > > > > > fogs morality and judgement. > > > > > > There are some restrictions on income for pols but they are still in a > > > > > position to make their supporters/party wealthy. The public has little > > > > > control over life-effecting laws and decisions but the same has always > > > > > been true of governments and religions. > > > > > > I would not enjoy a robot. I'd rather get another dog! :-) It's > > > > > frustrating to give up certain labors but I still manage most of it. I > > > > > quit the snow, lawn and garden a few years back but I have never been > > > > > timid about work which is funny- as a child I followed the help around > > > > > like a playmate. I even painted the shingles of a roof on my two-story > > > > > home- probably one of my more daring adventureous escapades- worked > > > > > one summer with a grad student who introduced me to rock, current lit, > > > > > etc.- he became a psychologist- I became a divorcee! > > > > > > On May 24, 3:40 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Huh I don't see how you reached that conclusion when my initial > > > > > > premise is lets get rid of money, of greed, and find a better way? > > > > > > it > > > > > > I think that we shall always need leaders and I would rather live > > > > > > in a > > > > > > fully democratic sociaty then not. > > > > > > > I would like to see democracy change a little though. The post of > > > > > > politician should be unpaid, shared and part time. There should eb > > > > > > laws made that say no fiscal gain can be made by politicions whilst > > > > > > in > > > > > > power and possibly not after also. That way well get only thoese > > > > > > who > > > > > > truely care about sociaty willing to do the job. > > > > > > > On May 24, 6:07 am, the taoist shaman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > i think worldwide democratic socialism is a good solution , no > > > > > > > pres. , > > > > > > > no office of power , many small niches all unified . listen to > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > self lee , it sounds to me like u find it moraly (socialy) wrong > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > speek ill of capitalism . now im not all about the current > > > > > > > socialism > > > > > > > set up , nor am i for capitalism ( make belive democratic system > > > > > > > ) the > > > > > > > answer would seem to be in the middle --- keep the democratic , > > > > > > > lose > > > > > > > the capitalism --- lose the dictator , keep the socialism > > > > > > > ( humanitarian ) , > > > > > > > > [email protected] wrote: > > > > > > > > Hahah no I mean robotic work force. > > > > > > > > > I mean no employment for us humans, robots take care of it all, > > > > > > > > including repair of broken robots. > > > > > > > > > We can then pursue other things, as the state/s take care of our > > > > > > > > nessicitys/luxeries brought about by the work of our slave > > > > > > > > robots! > > > > > > > > > It is truely scary this consumerisim, I have seen it increase > > > > > > > > in my > > > > > > > > short time on this planet, and it seems that things that where > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > counted as commodities a few years back are now so. > > > > > > > > > Money brings you all that you say, and of course you need it to > > > > > > > > live, > > > > > > > > to pay bills, to buy food. > > > > > > > > > I don't think it is money persay that is the problem, and I > > > > > > > > guess you > > > > > > > > are right, a barter system is open to the same flaws, I think > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > this growing commoditisation of things and consummerisation of > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > that is to blame. > > > > > > > > > It is the age old issue, the haves and the have nots. Make > > > > > > > > sure then > > > > > > > > that we all have, or that we all not. Ahhh but that is the > > > > > > > > raving > > > > > > > > Socialist in me speaking. > > > > > > > > > On May 23, 2:08 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > You mean a stay-at-home mom in the traditional sense? > > > > > > > > > (Stepford wife.) > > > > > > > > > > The next gold/oil will be water as some of us have agreed > > > > > > > > > many times. > > > > > > > > > > To replace money, we could return to a barter system but that > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > also be uneven/unfair depending upon demand and supply and > > > > > > > > > even what > > > > > > > > > categories would constitute value. > > > > > > > > > > What does money provide? Security, first of all, but this can > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > tricky. Most seem to expend money to make more money or > > > > > > > > > purchase > > > > > > > > > luxury goods so status is another aim. Control: if a nation's > > > > > > > > > wealth > > > > > > > > > is worthless or inflated, so goes the ballgame; or if one's > > > > > > > > > nation is > > > > > > > > > in debt or trapped in a cycle of expensive wars or > > > > > > > > > nature/climate > > > > > > > > > impose frequent emergencies, stress on the food supply, etc. > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > culture is also a culprit: what are its everyday values? Is a > > > > > > > > > nation > > > > > > > > > shortsighted, flaky, uneducated, so on an so forth. Who makes > > > > > > > > > the most > > > > > > > > > money in a culture? That's a real test of what a country > > > > > > > > > values. > > > > > > > > > > Thrift is a lowly virtue- nearly distained. So is labor: > > > > > > > > > sedentary > > > > > > > > > classes must diet or join gyms/country clubs, employ > > > > > > > > > servants, etc. > > > > > > > > > (My neighbor "gave" me her lawn guy- he is half the fee of my > > > > > > > > > former % > > > > > > > > > $#&*%. She was also his customer- once. We decided he is > > > > > > > > > having a mid- > > > > > > > > > life crisis. :-) ) > > > > > > > > > > On May 23, 6:55 am, "[email protected]" > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Shaman, > > > > > > > > > > > I have actualy given some thought to this and the most > > > > > > > > > > viable idea > > > > > > > > > > that I have is.......... > > > > > > > > > > > Robotic work force! > > > > > > > > > > > On May 23, 12:52 pm, the taoist shaman <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > hell ya lee , it will probably bring itself to an end > > > > > > > > > > > with the > > > > > > > > > > > disappearance of oil , or a bunch of people could put > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > organisational skills together and force an end to come , > > > > > > > > > > > che took out > > > > > > > > > > > cuba with 28 dudes and some AKs. brand new ak47 = 600$ , > > > > > > > > > > > but thats a > > > > > > > > > > > last resort ,..... have you read the art of war by sun > > > > > > > > > > > tzu , actual > > > > > > > > > > > combat is very expensive and risky ,--- a war againt $ -- > > > > > > > > > > > sounds more > > > > > > > > > > > plosable than the war on drugs , which was created to > > > > > > > > > > > generate $ . > > > > > > > > > > > there is nothing i hate more than $ , and there is > > > > > > > > > > > nothing i wouldnt > > > > > > > > > > > do to stop it , but as you say how? if someone did have > > > > > > > > > > > a way , and > > > > > > > > > > > put it on the internet , they would probably be arrested ! > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected] wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > It all comes down to money in the end don't it, or > > > > > > > > > > > > rather as the Bible > > > > > > > > > > > > says the love of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Money the great Satan that stops otherwise good people > > > > > > > > > > > > from acting in > > > > > > > > > > > > a moraly correct way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meh! I'd like to see the end of it, but how are we > > > > > > > > > > > > ever to see that I > > > > > > > > > > > > wonder? > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 21, 12:50 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > The cost of prison is about the same as education. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > have heard the > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
