Part of the discontent at the end of these current revolutions is that
much will not change. The youth compare themselves with what they see
in Western/capitalistic countries and want the same things forgetting
we had hundreds of years to build up our systems and material progress
and yes- sometimes at their expense.

On Jun 7, 5:50 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
> To change, we probably have to break a trance.  I don't think humans
> are competent to bring the change through planning.  Stuff is
> happening - our abilities to talk and access history are improving
> through the Internet.  But they may be about to bring ands end to all
> this.  We need to know how little effort is needed to provide basics
> and prevent banditry and a lot about the current role of parasitic
> money and be able to get people up to speed on this.  I believe very
> little 'work' really needs to be done and parasitic money could be
> replaced.  I'd have this dialogue first, but one has to wonder why we
> haven't had it up to now.  Instead, we have work ethic ideologies and
> ejukation that avoids important questions altogether.  I believe they
> exploit a well known human frailty in preventing all this, one it is
> dangerous to bring into the open.
>
> On Jun 7, 8:25 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Because of debt, obviously, but also because of the false role the
> > financial instiutions/markets play with our economy. I can't think of
> > a nation or empire that lasted very long with an empty treasury.
> > Perhaps we are another example of Marx- alienation and fetishism. Lady
> > Gaga, anyone? She's enormously popular but to me she looks like she
> > belongs in a Diane Arbus photo exhibit. Anyway, that would be a
> > discussion of worth and value and America has been sort of a
> > dreamscape for the opportunistic- good or bad. I'm not sure I have
> > expectations about politics anymore.
>
> > On Jun 6, 10:53 am, paradox <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > I think political philosophy (philosophy in general, actually) is good
> > > food for the mind; enjoy...
>
> > > Why do governments and budgets/business seem bankrupt to you? Are you
> > > benchmarking them against some expectation set you might hold?
>
> > > On Jun 6, 12:21 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > I am just starting a section on political philosophy in  my reading so
> > > > I am not up to it...yet! I did learn I am not a Hedonist, a Cynic, or
> > > > Stoic and my Christian background is tattered or a lovely quilt
> > > > depending on one's point of view.
>
> > > > The remark is cleverly put since government and budgets/business seem
> > > > bankrupt to me. But what do I know?
>
> > > > On Jun 6, 6:09 am, paradox <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > > A friend said to me the other day "The sole difference between
> > > > > Politics and Business is one of Currency"; initially, i thought that
> > > > > this might be a simplification too far, and unduly cynical perhaps
> > > > > (though i dont believe he meant it in a perjorative sense); yet, the
> > > > > more i think about it, the more difficult it is for me to refute.
>
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