There is truth to what you say. I especially like "wealth should not be forever." I mostly agree with this. Despite being Conservative I've never really had a problem with the Death Tax. If Dad makes a zillion bucks he should enjoy it but after he's gone most of it should be used to support the needy. I get that. I think it's really bad for people to inherit obscene amounts of money. Folks like Bill Gates and Warren Buffet get that. It's bad for the economy and it's bad for their mental health. We want these sons and daughters of financial and business wizards out there doing some wizardry of their own and not bar hopping and whoring around like some unnamed person whos initials are Paris Hilton. Although I understand she gets paid really well to publicize her antics. Jokes on us.
I think it becomes detrimental for a group or family or company or corporation or government to too long control an economy or business or product or commodity. It seriously hampers market forces from working as they should. This is why monopolies are generally frowned upon. This is why over regulation should be avoided when possible. I pine for openness and honesty as well arch but we both know human nature makes this impossible. It may work in a bubble community but on a city scale or even worse a world scale any system based on folks needing to be open and honest with each other is going to fail miserably. We have to assume we're dealing with rat-dog bastards and hire a rat-dog bastard lawyer to look out for us. And maybe another rat-dog bastard lawyer to watch the one we hired... It's the way of the world. We must look after our own family, our own close circle of friends and community and share ideas but understand we have no personal control over what gets done or doesn't get done on a global scale. Looking out for number one has to be our priority and indeed should be and I think an effective economic system needs to be based on the assumption that we ALL are looking out for number one. It feels nice to help out the needy but having your cash confiscated to be controlled by a third party before it gets to the needy seems very wrong to me. Our welfare system here is fraught with abuse and fraud. As I've said before, with today's technology there has to be a better way. Time to scrap the old way because it's far too wasteful and inefficient. I'm coming up with a good slogan for the Repubs to use in the coming elections and it includes the word CHANGE. I'm scrapping the word HOPE though. It's time to make our own hope with some hard work, sacrifice and shrewd and swift decisions. Tough ones. I am sick to death of good for nothing politicians. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 12:09 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > We don't really have property taxes over here Don - though out houses > are valued in bands for the payment of council tax. Our governments > don't tend to spend as much of our GDP on wars. The US was broke back > in Nixon's day when France insisted and got payment in gold and the UK > put in a later request to be told the 'gold window was closed' (i.e. > the US was bankrupt). We may be sitting waiting for the next > depression over the weekend. It's time we had some new ideas in > action in our economies - we could have boosted consumption GDP by > giving £50K to everyone at the bottom. This raises hackles on the > basis it isn't earned, yet we don't think the same way about the > parasite rigged markets in which so many have 'made' fortunes. > We need something that rewards effort and understands productivity > gains should be shared around. We have medieval systems really - it's > all wizardry and needs to be rendered to a simple core. There really > is no clever banking or accounting - it's all concealment and theft. > There are other systems such as potlach and 'gift' in economics that > recognise wealth should not be for ever. We should be asking why we > should work for such small parts of the reward, but also about how we > might be able to invest our work in communities that are not so > commodified as ours has become. > > On Aug 5, 3:47 pm, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > > Ahh Rigsy she has been so good for me, of course she can have what she > > wants. > > > > On Aug 5, 2:45 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My daughter married a man like you! Thank the Lord! :-) > > > > > On Aug 5, 8:40 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Hah hah Don. She is my beautiful wife of 21 years, she can have > > > > anything she wants, and as I say my wants are tiny. > > > > > > On Aug 5, 2:03 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Ok, that's just nuts. You should have gotten yourself a nice bottle > of > > > > > Crown Royal and just given her the bag. Sheesh. > > > > > Many happy returns for you both Lee. > > > > > > > dj > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 8:07 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > This is true Rigs and indeed I like it not. > > > > > > > > Meh! Perhaps it is just part and parcel of the Lee beast, perhaps > I am > > > > > > differant from others(lord knows I get told it enough). I'm not > rich > > > > > > man myself, I earn a good wage and enjoy the fruits of my labour, > I > > > > > > spend more on good food than a lot of people I know,and I get the > > > > > > stuff that I desire(that being reading materials and music), and > my > > > > > > wife and kids also get to get stuff. I have about enough money > to > > > > > > live a comfatable life but still not enough to own my own home, > or > > > > > > car9not that I really want a car). Another 5k a year will do me > > > > > > nicely thank you very much, but more than that I just couldn't > spedn > > > > > > it all. Ahahahah although Mrs Douglas would give it a bloody > good go! > > > > > > > > It was her birthday two weeks back, the big 40 (shsss you didn't > hear > > > > > > that from me, right) so I had to go out and buy her exactly what > she > > > > > > desired, yep a bloody £640 hand bag! > > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 1:40 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Often, those families self-destruct. The tuxedo to shirtsleeve > > > > > > > business. Wealth breeds a kind of hubris. There is a sad story > in this > > > > > > > month's "Vanity Fair" about a potato farmer and Texas oil > lawyer > > > > > > > haggling over land in the Hamptons which is a illustration. > Anyway, > > > > > > > the super rich duck their moolah in states with beneficial tax > laws or > > > > > > > tie them up in irrevocable trusts. > > > > > > > > > Isn't America also on trial for funding Mubarek for 30 years? > > > > > > > > > I am not "in" to money though my parents were so I guess I > should > > > > > > > thank the convent and camp and ups and downs for helping me > develop > > > > > > > other values. But- my parents were typical of their era, Lee. > Money > > > > > > > still makes the world go round, like it or not. > > > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 7:16 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I don't e-bay myself Rigsy, I don't do credit and so have no > cards. > > > > > > > > > > As to the supper rich, what is the uses of keeping millions > in the > > > > > > > > bank? I mean you can't spend it all before you die, you can't > take it > > > > > > > > with you, so I guess you leave it to the kids, and then they > still > > > > > > > > wont be able to spend it all, nor their kids. > > > > > > > > > > Money simply does not 'trickle down', those who have vast > ammounts of > > > > > > > > it do all they can to keep it, and I can see no logical > reasons for > > > > > > > > doing so. Share the wealth, yes indeed. > > > > > > > > > > Materialism, yes I guess you are right, although I hope not. > I think > > > > > > > > whne the day comes when the whole world is fed and has a nice > pile of > > > > > > > > stuff it may cease to be so important. Once again I must > declare > > > > > > > > 'Robot Work Force' Yeah baby come on, I hope I see the day. > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 1:01 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Have you checked out e-bay? Plus the super-rich have not > changed their > > > > > > > > > desires/shopping patterns as far as I can tell. It will be > difficult/ > > > > > > > > > impossible to inhibit materialism as it springs from > insecurity or > > > > > > > > > hostility and is held as a positive value in a capitalist > society. In > > > > > > > > > a sense, we "barter" cash for goods and services. > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 9:47 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed I am, I don't think bartering is a viable option. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 2:51 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are talking about the super-rich. Money attracts > thieves and > > > > > > > > > > > lawyers. Most want money to remain independent and > "just enough" is > > > > > > > > > > > just fine. We could barter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 6:44 am, Lee Douglas < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meh! It's all the same ole same ole innit . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's greed plain and simple, I think how much money > does one perosn > > > > > > > > > > > > need to libe as they wish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do the extreamly rich do all they can to keep > their money, I mean > > > > > > > > > > > > what are they going to do with it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ultimatly we must find a better way, a replacement > for material > > > > > > > > > > > > wealth, and get rid of the whole concept of money. > How though ummmm? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 8:43 am, allan deheretic < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rigsy,, boy are you a sensitive extreme > conservative republican > > > > > > > > > > > > > as president Rosevelt put it.. a conservative a > person with two perfectly > > > > > > > > > > > > > good legs and refuses to walk... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all wealthy people have no right to live off the > poor... they all > > > > > > > > > > > > > regardless of political view or party need to pay > their share of taxes! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't tell me that they create job because they > don't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as for people sending money to relatives.. you put > a maximum that can be > > > > > > > > > > > > > sent tax free. say 5000 dollars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 4:09 PM, rigsy03 < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who would invest under your system? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What about the government reducing its > expenditures by 35%? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing's to stop wealthy Liberals/Democrats from > sending their excess > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wealth to their government(s)-federal, state, > local. Why don't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Immigrants send money to their relatives also. I > thought the world was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > flat, at last! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why would people turn their labor/income over to > a bloated/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spendthrift/ incompetant government like > robots/slaves? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 2, 2:31 am, allan deheretic < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Being american,, I think taxes are necessary > but taxes need to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dependent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > income.. the greater the income the greater > the taxes.. and removal of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tax exemptions especially on capital gains..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am beginning to think that a petition needs > to be circulated placing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a mandatory 35% on income over $250,000.oo with > no exemptions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That would go a long way to helping the relive > the national debt.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also think all nation should have a 35% tax > on money leaving a nation.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I_D Allan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > > > > > ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > I_D Allan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,- Hide > quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - >
