It's official. America has been downgraded. We've been doing to ourselves for years but now S&P has made it official. Fucking(totally necessary Orn) wonderful.
dj On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 12:09 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > We don't really have property taxes over here Don - though out houses > are valued in bands for the payment of council tax. Our governments > don't tend to spend as much of our GDP on wars. The US was broke back > in Nixon's day when France insisted and got payment in gold and the UK > put in a later request to be told the 'gold window was closed' (i.e. > the US was bankrupt). We may be sitting waiting for the next > depression over the weekend. It's time we had some new ideas in > action in our economies - we could have boosted consumption GDP by > giving £50K to everyone at the bottom. This raises hackles on the > basis it isn't earned, yet we don't think the same way about the > parasite rigged markets in which so many have 'made' fortunes. > We need something that rewards effort and understands productivity > gains should be shared around. We have medieval systems really - it's > all wizardry and needs to be rendered to a simple core. There really > is no clever banking or accounting - it's all concealment and theft. > There are other systems such as potlach and 'gift' in economics that > recognise wealth should not be for ever. We should be asking why we > should work for such small parts of the reward, but also about how we > might be able to invest our work in communities that are not so > commodified as ours has become. > > On Aug 5, 3:47 pm, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > > Ahh Rigsy she has been so good for me, of course she can have what she > > wants. > > > > On Aug 5, 2:45 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My daughter married a man like you! Thank the Lord! :-) > > > > > On Aug 5, 8:40 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Hah hah Don. She is my beautiful wife of 21 years, she can have > > > > anything she wants, and as I say my wants are tiny. > > > > > > On Aug 5, 2:03 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Ok, that's just nuts. You should have gotten yourself a nice bottle > of > > > > > Crown Royal and just given her the bag. Sheesh. > > > > > Many happy returns for you both Lee. > > > > > > > dj > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 8:07 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > This is true Rigs and indeed I like it not. > > > > > > > > Meh! Perhaps it is just part and parcel of the Lee beast, perhaps > I am > > > > > > differant from others(lord knows I get told it enough). I'm not > rich > > > > > > man myself, I earn a good wage and enjoy the fruits of my labour, > I > > > > > > spend more on good food than a lot of people I know,and I get the > > > > > > stuff that I desire(that being reading materials and music), and > my > > > > > > wife and kids also get to get stuff. I have about enough money > to > > > > > > live a comfatable life but still not enough to own my own home, > or > > > > > > car9not that I really want a car). Another 5k a year will do me > > > > > > nicely thank you very much, but more than that I just couldn't > spedn > > > > > > it all. Ahahahah although Mrs Douglas would give it a bloody > good go! > > > > > > > > It was her birthday two weeks back, the big 40 (shsss you didn't > hear > > > > > > that from me, right) so I had to go out and buy her exactly what > she > > > > > > desired, yep a bloody £640 hand bag! > > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 1:40 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Often, those families self-destruct. The tuxedo to shirtsleeve > > > > > > > business. Wealth breeds a kind of hubris. There is a sad story > in this > > > > > > > month's "Vanity Fair" about a potato farmer and Texas oil > lawyer > > > > > > > haggling over land in the Hamptons which is a illustration. > Anyway, > > > > > > > the super rich duck their moolah in states with beneficial tax > laws or > > > > > > > tie them up in irrevocable trusts. > > > > > > > > > Isn't America also on trial for funding Mubarek for 30 years? > > > > > > > > > I am not "in" to money though my parents were so I guess I > should > > > > > > > thank the convent and camp and ups and downs for helping me > develop > > > > > > > other values. But- my parents were typical of their era, Lee. > Money > > > > > > > still makes the world go round, like it or not. > > > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 7:16 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I don't e-bay myself Rigsy, I don't do credit and so have no > cards. > > > > > > > > > > As to the supper rich, what is the uses of keeping millions > in the > > > > > > > > bank? I mean you can't spend it all before you die, you can't > take it > > > > > > > > with you, so I guess you leave it to the kids, and then they > still > > > > > > > > wont be able to spend it all, nor their kids. > > > > > > > > > > Money simply does not 'trickle down', those who have vast > ammounts of > > > > > > > > it do all they can to keep it, and I can see no logical > reasons for > > > > > > > > doing so. Share the wealth, yes indeed. > > > > > > > > > > Materialism, yes I guess you are right, although I hope not. > I think > > > > > > > > whne the day comes when the whole world is fed and has a nice > pile of > > > > > > > > stuff it may cease to be so important. Once again I must > declare > > > > > > > > 'Robot Work Force' Yeah baby come on, I hope I see the day. > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 1:01 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Have you checked out e-bay? Plus the super-rich have not > changed their > > > > > > > > > desires/shopping patterns as far as I can tell. It will be > difficult/ > > > > > > > > > impossible to inhibit materialism as it springs from > insecurity or > > > > > > > > > hostility and is held as a positive value in a capitalist > society. In > > > > > > > > > a sense, we "barter" cash for goods and services. > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 9:47 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed I am, I don't think bartering is a viable option. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 2:51 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are talking about the super-rich. Money attracts > thieves and > > > > > > > > > > > lawyers. Most want money to remain independent and > "just enough" is > > > > > > > > > > > just fine. We could barter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 6:44 am, Lee Douglas < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meh! It's all the same ole same ole innit . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's greed plain and simple, I think how much money > does one perosn > > > > > > > > > > > > need to libe as they wish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do the extreamly rich do all they can to keep > their money, I mean > > > > > > > > > > > > what are they going to do with it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ultimatly we must find a better way, a replacement > for material > > > > > > > > > > > > wealth, and get rid of the whole concept of money. > How though ummmm? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 8:43 am, allan deheretic < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rigsy,, boy are you a sensitive extreme > conservative republican > > > > > > > > > > > > > as president Rosevelt put it.. a conservative a > person with two perfectly > > > > > > > > > > > > > good legs and refuses to walk... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all wealthy people have no right to live off the > poor... they all > > > > > > > > > > > > > regardless of political view or party need to pay > their share of taxes! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't tell me that they create job because they > don't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as for people sending money to relatives.. you put > a maximum that can be > > > > > > > > > > > > > sent tax free. say 5000 dollars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 4:09 PM, rigsy03 < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who would invest under your system? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What about the government reducing its > expenditures by 35%? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing's to stop wealthy Liberals/Democrats from > sending their excess > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wealth to their government(s)-federal, state, > local. Why don't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Immigrants send money to their relatives also. I > thought the world was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > flat, at last! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why would people turn their labor/income over to > a bloated/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spendthrift/ incompetant government like > robots/slaves? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 2, 2:31 am, allan deheretic < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Being american,, I think taxes are necessary > but taxes need to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dependent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > income.. the greater the income the greater > the taxes.. and removal of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tax exemptions especially on capital gains..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am beginning to think that a petition needs > to be circulated placing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a mandatory 35% on income over $250,000.oo with > no exemptions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That would go a long way to helping the relive > the national debt.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also think all nation should have a 35% tax > on money leaving a nation.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I_D Allan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > > > > > ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > I_D Allan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,- Hide > quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - >
