I'm for giving it the push Vam.
On Oct 8, 6:46 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > "... the madness of debt banking and the rest that gets in the way." > > That's the fkg rot that needs to be purged. It's happening... 2 more > ( relatively small ) banks in US have folded up ! More would have, but > for the State largesse. But it can't really be postponed. Even the > inflationary model of economy is unsustainable. It will crash, sooner > or later. We will all be rich if it can be prempted. > > Those on the other side will hold up, maybe for long too. But you see, > my friend, the task is easier than what you imagine. All that needs to > happen is for the people to understand what " capitalism " they > want... freedom to intiate and add... the meaning that serves them... > and not the meaning which the oligarchs have given to it for their own > ends, that the corrupt mouth to orient the public thought. So too with > what "globalisation" ought to mean... "free market" ... "WTO" ... > "Climate" ... "Environment" ... "Competition" ... every one of these > need to be understood, as the people values they include and not the > profit and self-interest motifs they have been pre-loaded with. > > And the people will understand the difference between Democratic > Capitalism and Capitalist Democracy sooner than later. Give it the > push. I have heard some cries and fears but wtf... it just needs to > happen for things to get better, to be more proportionate and even, > and happier. > > On Oct 8, 4:18 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I've never put up with you Allan - I like you. I agree Vam and have > > always wandered about doing what I can. My spirit is positive in that > > sense. What a blessing it would be if argument was about agreeing > > what facts we can and getting on into practice. What makes me pall is > > to find practice dogged with the madness of debt banking and the rest > > that gets in the way. > > > On Oct 7, 5:44 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > agreed > > > Allan > > > > is the kind of > > > > On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 4:37 AM, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > " I want to treat all humankind accepting peace and non-violence > > > > equally." > > > > > Most of us will start with something as clean and clear, then hang in > > > > deliberation when faced with their " self-interest "... when it comes > > > > to acting in accord with what is clear and clean... and lose > > > > themselves in the " complexity " of things, obtaining saving leverages > > > > from thoughts of how the " world " and " humanity " is... > > > > > The argument has always remained with us. It still lies with us... > > > > and, fortunately, happily, many many of us are actually taking it > > > > forward, almost wading into the " populace " and turning them around > > > > to becoming forces of freedom and light, because they clearly and > > > > cleanly feel and hence understand their own true will, against the > > > > historical momentum of feudalism, slavery and darkness. > > > > > The age of science and management has raised our thought, provided us > > > > with tools and platforms. But it still needs the spirit, riding on > > > > clean values and clear purpose... that bundle of hope and belief, > > > > etched knowledge and massive will. The rest will follow... there are > > > > millions of us too, equipped with the tools and poised on the > > > > platforms. > > > > > On Oct 7, 6:01 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I want to treat all humankind accepting peace and non-violence > > > > > equally. One quickly realises this can't work in full. I'm not > > > > > giving maths lessons to all the kids round here who need them but am > > > > > teaching my grandson. Most people can't even be trusted to find out > > > > > simple and easily available facts in making decisions or coming to > > > > > argument. There's an interesting example at - > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Ariely > > > > > - which shows most in the US think things are more equal than they are > > > > > and actually want them more equal than they think (already a massive > > > > > fictional improvement on reality). I don't treat all women as equally > > > > > as my partner. > > > > > > This doesn't lead me to dispatch equality as a concept - just > > > > > recognise it's an ideal with complexity. > > > > > > Teaching has led me to the view that most people don't want to learn > > > > > much. I suspect schooling inculcates this in most. I've had a glut > > > > > of the stuff and can feel the bildung was for nothing in the freezing > > > > > moral climate of banksterism, selfish, plastic society and the eye for > > > > > the main chance. One teaches people who have to make their way in > > > > > this world but we seem to teach them very little about it. > > > > > > If I ask students how much agriculture contributes to world GDP, most > > > > > of the answers are between 30 - 60%. It's 4%. How did they get so > > > > > dumb? > > > > > If I show students where to find the information they can get the > > > > > right answer. Sooner or later as a lecturer you discover students > > > > > have to be led by the nose - only a few are really interested in > > > > > thinking for themselves and becoming independent thinkers. > > > > > > If the above is the case in universities, what hope is there for an > > > > > educated populace capable in democracy? Our politicians have long > > > > > given up on this as the case and are now vying for votes in emotional > > > > > ignorance and the fantasy worlds generated by alienation from facts - > > > > > even antipathy towards them. > > > > > > Over here in the Banana Republic of the Sceptred Isle our PM Herr > > > > > Cameroon has noticed hardly any kids get adopted any more and it takes > > > > > over two years on average. This is dire evidence of jobsworth > > > > > bureaucracy. I'm sure it is. > > > > > I have noticed that "economics" pours nearly all available a monetary > > > > > value can be put on into the hands of a few rich. This is evidence the > > > > > economic system doesn't work. If he rings me up, I'll fix the > > > > > adoption system - as long as he does his job on what I've noticed. > > > > > Both these facts are true and admitting they are is important - but > > > > > facts are not all there is to argument. > > > > > > And argument is the blight of democracy - it isn't about investigation > > > > > and enquiry. It's about persuasion of the populace - a populace to > > > > > lazy to do its own work on the facts, tired of its failure in an > > > > > education system that ensures there is no benefit in finding out for > > > > > yourself. > > > > -- > > > ( > > > ) > > > |_D Allan > > > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
