Ah the Dutch Model ,, it actually works and it is not a problem among residents, But the model is in the process if changing,, The problems come from those coming in to take advantage of the liberal laws,, They are changing to require residence identification.. As for citizen if I so chose i can grow up to five plants for personal use unquestioned.
Strangely I have not seen a drug problem, here,, even thought I seen grow rooms raided.. no big deal. It is not a crowd I hang out with so I in reality am out of touch. Allan On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 6:26 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > The area is riddled with problems we can't solve in full Molly. I'm > sure you must know how squalid it all gets. Rigsy is pointing to how > we seem to fly into non-solutions on the basis of 'despising' the > current generation of 'youth'. Lots of stuff in our homes manages to > get into children, from bleach and disinfectant to racism. This, of > course, is not a reason for adding more. I've seen academic ethnology > (Dunlap et al googles) but it misses much of the plight. What it gets > to some of is the 'exchanges' that go on - sex for drugs as young as 9 > - often for mothers and associated men. It's all a long way from > Chris and I sharing a few beers and experimental chemistry. > 'Models' get flung up without much thinking through - the classic here > is the Dutch "legalisation" - this being no such animal. It's a > limited decriminalisation and not entirely popular. It's better > understood as attitudinal. I'm a fuggy muggy pub adherent and would > like to see cannabis available under licence from them and to treat > the issues under a medical model - but there's a big 'but' in that the > crap behaviour associated with booze and drugs needs much harsher > treatment, including follicle testing for kids in user families. > > I don't think the prohibition mentality helps in anything from > abortion through to most vice - the big issue is how to prevent vice > turning to rackets (our lotteries were once numbers rackets run by > characters like Frank Nitty). Amsterdam politicians come out with > declarations to sweep away the red light district and replace it with > 'a red carpet to their wonderful museums' - but in truth our > governments are not averse to organised crime money and encourage all > sorts of 'off shore' dodges where this money is laundered. > > We need something other than the knee-jerk stuff rigsy outlines as > part of the problem and a better understanding of the 'lack of > harmony'. I saw Noel Gallagher (Oasis) talking persuasively about > this last night. Celebrity is dangled everywhere but the truth is no > jobs and earning capacity. Here our generation's 'self-reliance' and > scorn for those who can't find worn as idlers and losers is very > damaging. Every piece of detailed history I've seen shows these > generational matters are endemic and take much the same form. > Smuggling has a long history around prohibition, taxes (often levied > for wars) or other trade issues. > > On Oct 12, 11:03 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > I see the biggest barrier to your suggestion, Neil, is the question of > > how to limit access to our kids, who's ability to reason doesn't > > really develop until the early twenties. Most addictive behavior > > begins before then. As it is, the access for them, although illegal, > > isn't hard. Kids in the lowest and highest income families have the > > same risk factors. It is thought that is because neither group is > > given much attention by their families but for different reasons. > > Most of these kids don't find much harmony with life, and the > > percentage of addiction is highest. > > > > On Oct 11, 6:35 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd like to see decriminalisation and public availability of most of > > > the weaker drugs. I suspect the moral is channeled into looking down > > > on vice instead of the actually more obvious evils like poverty. > > > > > On Oct 10, 7:16 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I learned some more about my parent's generation while watching > > > > "Prohibition"- a film by Ken Burns on PBS. A few more pieces to add > to > > > > the jigsaw. I can see why they tightened the reins, so to speak. > Maybe > > > > this is a factor between generations- sort of a see-saw- regarding > > > > behavior, expectations, mores- but I think it also exisits between > > > > classes and other distinctions within society. > > > > > > What do you think? > > > > > > Also- what about legalizing marijuana and other soft recreational > > > > drugs and taxing them? Might be at least one boost to the ecomony/ > > > > revenue. If someone wants to over-do anything, they will, so are we > > > > repeating the mistakes of Prohibition? > > > > > > Why do you think people have emotional "blind spots"? Trauma or > > > > ignorance...or both? > -- ( ) |_D Allan Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
