It seems the term "for the greater good ." disappeared from the language especially from government. Allan
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 2:32 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm stuck at another level too Chris - it was always little old > 'critical me' that got funding and such. When going to such things as > university creativity sessions and find them led by some clown with 50 > bright ideas to get the business going what do you do other than toss > the book '!01 Bright Ideas To Get Your Business Going' on the desk and > leave? I found universities not to be centres of excellence but full > of dullards or clown rules that prevented real work. I sometimes find > a few people to work with, have heard the 'Molly experience' and never > seen it do anything but damage - though Molly has an edge I could see > getting through. > With sports teams and some students you have to stop the pre-selection > of defeat - but you also have to spot where the brick walls not to run > at are. > I had a fantastic chance about 15 years back with a firm that wanted > to abolish its organisational structure in favour of project teams, > and go paperless. The top level was a great success and the paperless > thing worked better than I hoped. There were load of positive payoffs > - but huge resentment in the groups doing routine and scut work. All > in all though it was a buzz but a lot of people got left behind. I > have no problem with this kind of efficiency move - but there should > be more consideration of how to work with those who can't cope other > than junking to the reserve army of unemployment. Without going into > detail, this is why I think we need social solutions not individual > ones. And I think the social is too broken to start with letting fear > fall away. > > > On Oct 20, 10:57 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > "I guess that fear is the load we are experiencing" > > > > My world changed immeasurably when the fear fell away. > > > > On Oct 19, 1:25 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can't take it myself to be honest Chris. Derrida used to say we are > > > in spirit positive. In Anglo-Saxon terms he was just a liberal, almost > > > priestly as a bloke over a few beers. I was younger then, still able > > > to knock things over and feel it was worth the bother. I suspect we > > > don't understand "negation" very well. Gabby (bless) always has some > > > - or it seems that way (I remember very positive support of me some > > > years back) - and the question arising is when this becomes as much > > > censorship as all the other stuff we might brand as that. It isn't > > > "negation" or the sting of criticism that really gets to me, more > > > selfish attitudes in what I feel as madness, triumphed as positive but > > > perpetual children. I like kids and even childish behaviour as > > > entertainment. I can't stand the failure of education in making a > > > decent society of responsible adults. > > > I've done a lot more than most in playing the game - £7 million in > > > research/project grants doesn't come from admissions projects will > > > fail in the business plan. But the critical eye has to admit the > > > majority fail and I was often signing-off on lies. £9K for university > > > tutoring (outside of science and engineering) goes to fund middle- > > > class lifestyles of the university hangers-on not towards the > > > education of the young person. When last full-time, I was teaching > > > 100 FTEs at least (200 times £9K = £900K in fees leaving £810K after > > > my costs). I could have done a better job for the students with > > > properly organised distance learning and a 'university' organised > > > around local pubs, theartres and sports clubs done through social > > > media - the overhead costed at around £100K (electronic library > > > etc.). A better education with much more opportunity for small > > > business involvement and so on at under a third of the cost and one > > > not building onerous debt. What is negative in this? And sadly, the > > > answer is easy middle-class incomes. I can go on an explain how even > > > these would not be affected as we could expand more practical > > > education and work development. I'm talking here of a more social, > > > more tutor supported education better than the expensive, debt- > > > producing fantasy we're forcing kids into. And one with lots of local > > > creative possibilities with less bureaucracy and vastly increased > > > 'civic' involvement. > > > You have to 'deconstruct' to get to the above idea - and elsewhere in > > > terms of stuff like agricultural and manufacturing productivity we > > > have done this with little thought on the jobs lost by workers - > > > indeed we've run roughshod over 'them'. The point in the negation > > > should be positive - about the use of efficiency for general well- > > > being and the creation of wider prosperity, probably redefined. > > > > > What's hard, Chris, is facing-up to what life means to most people - > > > the economics I've never taught (but colleagues have from a single > > > text book) leads to a few very rich and the rest in debt-rent-mortgage > > > peonage and the arms' race. It must be obvious we barely have even > > > capitalism. It would be great to be able to ignore politics and the > > > status quo, but we need to build so we can. The old phrase from the > > > 50's (I only know from reading) was 'structuring freedom'. The human > > > population has tripled since I was born (I reject personal, intimate > > > responsibility!) - all very 'free' - producing planet burning and soon > > > 'competition for air'. Raising questions about how complex freedom > > > is. > > > > > The weight on us - if we think for improved practice - is complexity > > > that most use simple Idols on to make their sense. I played rugby and > > > was a cop. The whole Bradford Northern front row were less > > > intimidating than the mad munter of some low-life I might nick with a > > > bread knife. The rules and structure of the competition allow rugby - > > > but what rules and structure would allow a decent society. Not every > > > claim can count in trying to do that do should, in principle be heard > > > so we don't 'go total' like some Spanish Fascit (fair typo) stealing > > > babies from their ideologically unsound mothers. > > > > > I guess that fear is the load we are experiencing - maybe like that of > > > animals in hierarchies under all kinds of complex leader power - just > > > look what cockroaches and bees do to members in their 'reaching > > > consensus rules'. Even the really positive is negative - we can now > > > support human life without much effort - so why do we need poverty? > > > That would destroy the motivation of the rest of us now, wouldn't it? > > > The most obvious fact in the world is that most of what we claim we > > > want as moral individuals needs a change in what society is and what > > > people can aspire to as persons in it - otherwise we head to the usual > > > human solution, war. > > > > > Maybe I should 'out Dilbert' Scott Adams, you do some illustrations > > > and pics, and we should watch the fireworks from Bermuda? I like the > > > shadows in Bermuda. > > > > > On Oct 19, 3:56 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I've never had someone so casually create a crushing despair in me, > Neil. > > > > Your writing has always affected me greatly, but the sense of general > > > > futility that is often expressed weighs a ton. As someone who still > holds > > > > out hope for society's betterment, your words often feel like > mountains on > > > > my head.The sense of truth in them, I think, is what gives them so > much > > > > weight. > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 4:25 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > The smell of authority gets up my nose however disguised Gabby - > we've > > > > > just seen an example in rugby union with a Welsh player sent off > for a > > > > > decent tackle and then banned for three games to reinforce the > > > > > referee's authority. It all reeks of what people do given > authority. > > > > > Sport hardly matters, but the example is good. I don't know what's > > > > > happening in Detroit. I do know that in Spain a ring of bastards > > > > > (priests, nuns, doctors) removed 40,000 kids from their parents and > > > > > adopted through mass baby trafficking beyond the Fascists. I was > > > > > tempted once to become an anarcho-existential organisational > > > > > practitioner and break some windows from the inside, but somehow > > > > > jargon remains with the same smell. > > > > > Molly's got a point - the problem is that words so rarely match > what > > > > > happens. The gadfly of irony loses its sting too,much as > increasing > > > > > lexicon (equafinality, artifactuality etc.) ... and paradigms of > > > > > synergy fade in the dust of asset strippers. > > > > > > > So where are the solutions we might express? > > > > > > > On Oct 18, 8:15 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Puh, this is the flowery version of "I am against dualism" > (compare: All > > > > > > power plays are based in these memes because they require > opposition), > > > > > which > > > > > > is understandable if the writer gets payed by the line. Whereby > the scent > > > > > of > > > > > > power being related to hierarchies is decently overtoned, now > isn't that > > > > > > lovely. No mod here has the power over the ban button, this is > me here > > > > > > trolling and spreading an unpleasant odor. Puh, could someone > please > > > > > > let in some fresh air? > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Molly <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > Power relations work only in a group with leadership who's > view is > > > > > > > based on power and the idea that "i" or "we" can have more or > less > > > > > > > than "you." There are views that realize that every group > operates > > > > > > > holistically, and the flow of operation and pinnacle of > achievement is > > > > > > > not dependent on power but synergy. A savvy leader knows the > group > > > > > > > members potentiality, talent, perceived limitation, resources > etc., > > > > > > > and creates the conditions necessary for every and all to move > beyond > > > > > > > them as a whole. It takes a big picture view of how each > person > > > > > > > operates and where the group fits in the community (whole). A > group > > > > > > > with such leadership can become a change agent. The leadership > > > > > > > understands that power is a misnomer, as it is not power that > fuels > > > > > > > the group effort, but synergy. > > > > > > > > > Given, not all groups operate like this. Not everyone has > realized > > > > > > > the fallacious nature of "power." Fallacious because we > indeed are > > > > > > > operating as a whole on the more subtle levels. Our view can > distort > > > > > > > what is really occurring, because it is often too narrow > (egocentric - > > > > > > > me against them- or ethnocentric - us against them.) All > power plays > > > > > > > are based in these memes because they require opposition. > Leaders who > > > > > > > allow the talent in the group to emerge and mentor, who can > inspire > > > > > > > group vision and keep the group focused to it, who recognized > each > > > > > > > individual contribution and potential and provide resources > necessary > > > > > > > for fulfillment are indeed rare. But they are emerging > whether by > > > > > > > necessity of a higher calling. > > > > > > > > > I find it interesting that here in Detroit, Mayor Bing, who > receives a > > > > > > > whopping $.90 annual salary, has done more to allow the > worldcentric > > > > > > > leadership of the city to emerge than anyone in the history of > the > > > > > > > city. His critics say that he has not made any tangible change > > > > > > > although you don't have to look far to see that he has. He > operates > > > > > > > at a much higher meme than our President, although I suspect > that the > > > > > > > conditions of the world might not be ready for any other than > a power > > > > > > > based person in the Presidency. > > > > > > > > > Power relations are... > > > > read more » -- ( ) |_D Allan Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
