Neil God can and does interact with everyone on a daily basis, for some it can be different than what most people experience. I know it is not fair, but I am not God or the Entirity either depending how you see him. Allan On Feb 18, 2012 9:38 PM, "archytas" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'm struck that nature can do all kinds of stuff we can't. We can > trace our history in nature to a point when we don't exist other than > (possibly) an unfolding design. We have little clue on purpose other > than in weak forms operationally defined or told in stories involving > omnipotent blue and white rabbits, mediated by talking snakes and > salamanders hidden in hats. Gods figure large but we don't meet any > in demonstration. What speculation on purpose is possible on this? > One aspect that interests me is what reason would 'send us here' > without purpose information and yet an apparent built-in quest for it. > > On Feb 16, 6:43 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > Rigsy all believes can actually be stretched to paganism... depends on > how > > you examine them. > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 2:35 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Our ethical systems evolved from paganism. Maybe "evolved" is a > > > stretch. > > > > > On Feb 15, 4:59 pm, Eman Abdulla <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Maybe not to some,but one could argue that finding God is the > ultimate > > > > moral act because one gives recognition and gratitude to the One who > > > > provided life, opportunity to experience the world and really > > > > everything else. I realize that people believe in God for so many > > > > reasons, but ultimately one has to think it is the truth in order to > > > > embrace it. > > > > > > On 2/15/12, gwilliamsny11 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I appreciate Eman's perspective re the experience of God leading to > > > wanting > > > > > to make the world a better place. However > > > > > > > I am of the opinion that connection with "God" is not necessary to > > > live an > > > > > ethical life. For me whether there is a God in the sense of > > > > > > > a supreme Goodness, Truth, originator of divine wisdom, all > powerful > > > etc. > > > > > isn't all that important. The fact that there is continuing > > > > > > > suffering, apparent injustices on a world wide scale, fundamental > > > > > unfairness, random good and or bad luck - limited control over > one's > > > > > > > destiny and a multitude of additional realistic limitations plus > the > > > fact > > > > > of human creativity means to me that each of us has a core choice > > > > > > > to live an artistic ethical life in promoting that which is > > > constructive, or > > > > > cave into cynicism and a lazy what the hell attitude of everything > is > > > > > > > equal so in the end nothing really matters very much. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Eman Abdulla <[email protected]> > > > > > To: minds-eye <[email protected]> > > > > > Sent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 10:54 am > > > > > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Life's Purpose > > > > > > > There is room for variation and idiosyncrasies as to the meaning of > > > > > life for each of us, each within his/her angle of the world and > inner > > > > > dynamics. I do believe, however, that a general view of the > purpose of > > > > > life can be twofold: one aesthetic, and one ethical. Thoughtfully > > > > > savoring life with all it has to offer to the best of our abilities > > > > > and marveling in the magnificence and uniqueness of our existence > can > > > > > be an end in itself. Ethically, we need to try to make the world > > > > > better with than without us, each within their means. To connect > both > > > > > ethics and aesthetics, human beings are endowed with such incessant > > > > > thirst for knowledge and pursuit of truths of their existence and > the > > > > > world they inhabit. I think that under that bridge between > marveling > > > > > in the wonders of life, and making a positive imprint on it, lie > much > > > > > of the sciences, arts , and even religions that human beings have > > > > > created, developed and pursued since the dawns of their existence > as a > > > > > species. Being a Muslim, I will add that to me pesonally, finding > God > > > > > through His magnificent and complex creation is a purpose that I > place > > > > > within the first category , which had to do with experiencing life, > > > > > but once God is found, it leads up to the second layer, which is > > > > > trying to make the world a better place, or at least preserve what > is > > > > > good about it. > > > > > > > On 2/15/12, gwilliamsny11 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > >> After 75 years of experience on this earth plane here is my > > > conclusion as > > > > >> to > > > > >> the meaning of -at least - my life: > > > > > > >> Living from day to day confronts us with a never ending array of > > > problems > > > > >> ranging from practical issues such as > > > > > > >> what is on the top of my to do list - to philosophical such as > why am > > > I > > > > >> bothering to get up at all - to urgent: I have to do something > > > > > > >> about the pain in my tooth- > > > > > > >> Since I am preoccupied with one or more problems to be solved and > it > > > gives > > > > >> me satisfaction to master each and all of them --it follows > > > > > > >> that the good life must be concerned with becoming an expert > problem > > > > >> solver. > > > > > > >> Adopting this ethic reinforces my interests in science > (particularly > > > > >> scientific method); philosophical theory and discourse > (particularly > > > > > > >> Spinoza, the Pragmatists, Socrates, Plato and Aristotle); > continuing > > > to > > > > >> examine the implications of viewing the nature of meaningful > > > > > > >> coincidences from two alternative perspectives (Jung: mystical > > > magical > > > > >> transcendent collective unconscious and G Williams > > > > > > >> naturalistic, personal unconscious, by products of the > idiosyncratic > > > > >> creative process); depth psychology notably Freudian > > > > > > >> classical psychoanalysis, British Object Relations theorists > > > especially > > > > >> Guntrip, Winnicott etc); continued learning about the nature of > > > > > > >> psychodynamics; continuing learning about the nature of the self > and > > > how > > > > >> it > > > > >> develops (particularly Spitz, The First Year of Life) - Freiberg: > > > > > > >> The Magic Years; and adopting the seminal incite that the key to > > > > >> emotional > > > > >> success is adopting and practicing the discovery that the > > > > > > >> best attitude to coping with the daily experiences of anxiety, > > > > >> depression, > > > > >> frustration and stress (tension) is an attitude of bring them on > > > > > > >> and I will tolerate them the best I can which is essentially the > > > > >> concluding > > > > >> message of Molly Bloom in Joyce's must read classic: > > > > > > >> Ulysses - that after a life time of experience much of it > traumatic > > > she > > > > >> sums > > > > >> up with yes, yes, yes, yes yes yes, again yes. Top that ethic > > > > > > >> if you can. > > > > > > >> Gibbs A. Williams gibbsonline. com > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > > >> From: pol.science kid <[email protected]> > > > > >> To: minds-eye <[email protected]> > > > > >> Sent: Tue, Feb 14, 2012 11:53 pm > > > > >> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Life's Purpose > > > > > > >> Do you mean ... to always do the right thing?.... > > > > > > >> On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 3:37 AM, gabbydott <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > >> I understood that Erica meant it was our cognitive abilities > which had > > > > >> made > > > > >> us aware of better streamlining ourselves. > > > > > > >> I hope this opens up for a more mortal and less moral > interpretation, > > > yes. > > > > > > >> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 9:08 AM, pol.science kid < > > > [email protected]> > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > >> yes... thats such an interesting thing... happiness is a > choice.... > > > but > > > > >> we > > > > >> dont quite know about it do we.. nor do mot of us care.... > > > > >> sometimes i hate happiness ... but thats really not possible is > it... > > > it > > > > >> only exposes the essentially morbid mind... > > > > > > >> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Erica Moreau < > [email protected]> > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > >> I thought happiness was the purpose [not that people can recognize > > > > >> that happiness is not a feeling, but rather a choice...] > > > > > > >> On Feb 5, 10:55 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >>> Life has no purpose except evolution ; a person has to search > his own > > > > >>> purpose in life and live for it. Some live for the attainment of > > > wealth > > > > >>> and > > > > >>> fame , some for the freedom of their country , removal of > corruption > > > , > > > > >>> some > > > > >>> for the attainment of wisdom and some for the happiness of their > > > > >>> children. > > > > >>> You have to set your own priorities. > > > > > > >> -- > > > > >> EverComing > > > > > > >> -- > > > > >> EverComing- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > -- > > ( > > ) > > |_D Allan > > > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
