Rigsy all believes can actually be stretched to paganism... depends on how you examine them. Allan
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 2:35 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > Our ethical systems evolved from paganism. Maybe "evolved" is a > stretch. > > On Feb 15, 4:59 pm, Eman Abdulla <[email protected]> wrote: > > Maybe not to some,but one could argue that finding God is the ultimate > > moral act because one gives recognition and gratitude to the One who > > provided life, opportunity to experience the world and really > > everything else. I realize that people believe in God for so many > > reasons, but ultimately one has to think it is the truth in order to > > embrace it. > > > > On 2/15/12, gwilliamsny11 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I appreciate Eman's perspective re the experience of God leading to > wanting > > > to make the world a better place. However > > > > > I am of the opinion that connection with "God" is not necessary to > live an > > > ethical life. For me whether there is a God in the sense of > > > > > a supreme Goodness, Truth, originator of divine wisdom, all powerful > etc. > > > isn't all that important. The fact that there is continuing > > > > > suffering, apparent injustices on a world wide scale, fundamental > > > unfairness, random good and or bad luck - limited control over one's > > > > > destiny and a multitude of additional realistic limitations plus the > fact > > > of human creativity means to me that each of us has a core choice > > > > > to live an artistic ethical life in promoting that which is > constructive, or > > > cave into cynicism and a lazy what the hell attitude of everything is > > > > > equal so in the end nothing really matters very much. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Eman Abdulla <[email protected]> > > > To: minds-eye <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 10:54 am > > > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Life's Purpose > > > > > There is room for variation and idiosyncrasies as to the meaning of > > > life for each of us, each within his/her angle of the world and inner > > > dynamics. I do believe, however, that a general view of the purpose of > > > life can be twofold: one aesthetic, and one ethical. Thoughtfully > > > savoring life with all it has to offer to the best of our abilities > > > and marveling in the magnificence and uniqueness of our existence can > > > be an end in itself. Ethically, we need to try to make the world > > > better with than without us, each within their means. To connect both > > > ethics and aesthetics, human beings are endowed with such incessant > > > thirst for knowledge and pursuit of truths of their existence and the > > > world they inhabit. I think that under that bridge between marveling > > > in the wonders of life, and making a positive imprint on it, lie much > > > of the sciences, arts , and even religions that human beings have > > > created, developed and pursued since the dawns of their existence as a > > > species. Being a Muslim, I will add that to me pesonally, finding God > > > through His magnificent and complex creation is a purpose that I place > > > within the first category , which had to do with experiencing life, > > > but once God is found, it leads up to the second layer, which is > > > trying to make the world a better place, or at least preserve what is > > > good about it. > > > > > On 2/15/12, gwilliamsny11 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> After 75 years of experience on this earth plane here is my > conclusion as > > >> to > > >> the meaning of -at least - my life: > > > > >> Living from day to day confronts us with a never ending array of > problems > > >> ranging from practical issues such as > > > > >> what is on the top of my to do list - to philosophical such as why am > I > > >> bothering to get up at all - to urgent: I have to do something > > > > >> about the pain in my tooth- > > > > >> Since I am preoccupied with one or more problems to be solved and it > gives > > >> me satisfaction to master each and all of them --it follows > > > > >> that the good life must be concerned with becoming an expert problem > > >> solver. > > > > >> Adopting this ethic reinforces my interests in science (particularly > > >> scientific method); philosophical theory and discourse (particularly > > > > >> Spinoza, the Pragmatists, Socrates, Plato and Aristotle); continuing > to > > >> examine the implications of viewing the nature of meaningful > > > > >> coincidences from two alternative perspectives (Jung: mystical > magical > > >> transcendent collective unconscious and G Williams > > > > >> naturalistic, personal unconscious, by products of the idiosyncratic > > >> creative process); depth psychology notably Freudian > > > > >> classical psychoanalysis, British Object Relations theorists > especially > > >> Guntrip, Winnicott etc); continued learning about the nature of > > > > >> psychodynamics; continuing learning about the nature of the self and > how > > >> it > > >> develops (particularly Spitz, The First Year of Life) - Freiberg: > > > > >> The Magic Years; and adopting the seminal incite that the key to > > >> emotional > > >> success is adopting and practicing the discovery that the > > > > >> best attitude to coping with the daily experiences of anxiety, > > >> depression, > > >> frustration and stress (tension) is an attitude of bring them on > > > > >> and I will tolerate them the best I can which is essentially the > > >> concluding > > >> message of Molly Bloom in Joyce's must read classic: > > > > >> Ulysses - that after a life time of experience much of it traumatic > she > > >> sums > > >> up with yes, yes, yes, yes yes yes, again yes. Top that ethic > > > > >> if you can. > > > > >> Gibbs A. Williams gibbsonline. com > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: pol.science kid <[email protected]> > > >> To: minds-eye <[email protected]> > > >> Sent: Tue, Feb 14, 2012 11:53 pm > > >> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Life's Purpose > > > > >> Do you mean ... to always do the right thing?.... > > > > >> On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 3:37 AM, gabbydott <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > >> I understood that Erica meant it was our cognitive abilities which had > > >> made > > >> us aware of better streamlining ourselves. > > > > >> I hope this opens up for a more mortal and less moral interpretation, > yes. > > > > >> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 9:08 AM, pol.science kid < > [email protected]> > > >> wrote: > > > > >> yes... thats such an interesting thing... happiness is a choice.... > but > > >> we > > >> dont quite know about it do we.. nor do mot of us care.... > > >> sometimes i hate happiness ... but thats really not possible is it... > it > > >> only exposes the essentially morbid mind... > > > > >> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Erica Moreau <[email protected]> > > >> wrote: > > > > >> I thought happiness was the purpose [not that people can recognize > > >> that happiness is not a feeling, but rather a choice...] > > > > >> On Feb 5, 10:55 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>> Life has no purpose except evolution ; a person has to search his own > > >>> purpose in life and live for it. Some live for the attainment of > wealth > > >>> and > > >>> fame , some for the freedom of their country , removal of corruption > , > > >>> some > > >>> for the attainment of wisdom and some for the happiness of their > > >>> children. > > >>> You have to set your own priorities. > > > > >> -- > > >> EverComing > > > > >> -- > > >> EverComing- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > -- ( ) |_D Allan Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
