Sad, so sad.
Allan

On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 3:07 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote:

> You are the organism and when asleep it is you the organism that is
> asleep , you don't go anywhere but in a state of sleep like the
> dream-state and awakened-state it is still you in totality. As for the
> Unconscious I speak of it is Nature or God and I don't want your seal
> on my beliefs, for your reasoning is shallow and has no depth. You are
> confusing yourself to be something separate from and above the body
> but I can understand your stupidity because people across the ages
> have believed so without any solid ground and against all evidence to
> the contrary , I am happy you will live through the ages and make many
> people happy ,but I am satisfied that I will not ascribe to your
> stupidity and on my deathbed will be satisfied in knowing that I will
> reach the peaceful stage which people like you feign to attain while
> all the while desiring worldly pleasures for eons and eons.
>
> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 10:50 PM, Vam <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Mar 21, 10:44 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Believing in delusional experiences of others is gullibility...
> >
> > And who is to pronounce on your "wisdom," RP ?
> >
> >> mistaking a trance-like state to be a self-realized state is
> >> stupidity.
> >
> > And, why should inclusive self-realisation have to be trance-like,
> > RP ? I really wonder where or from whom did you pick up such narrow
> > associations through your growing up !
> >
> >> When asleep it is you as an organism that is asleep.
> >
> > You mean to say now that the organism ( the body ) is different from
> > your self ? If yes, who and what is this self, and how do you know if
> > it so ? You've said it is unconscious, where as you are conscious. So,
> > being of diametrically opposite, opposed and contrary nature, are you
> > the self or the non-self ?
> >
> > You could choose to begin all over again and review the true nature of
> > the self and what constitutes it. Then, what is your true nature ?
> >
> > Or, are you saying that, when asleep, you are the organism and there
> > is no self ?
> >
> >> Don't mistake awareness with yourself , it is simply a state of an
> organism
> >> just as the dream and sleep states.
> >
> > Don't worry about my mistakes. It is time you worried about yours !
> >
> > I am not exactly excited about having a response from you. But I'm
> > open to surprise !
> >
> >
> >> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:28 AM, Vam <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> > James, ignorance is never the issue; it will correct itself, now or in
> >> > some decades.
> >>
> >> > But stupidity is the issue and its first manifestation is disrespect
> >> > for diversity, in general. In particular, stupid people are closed to
> >> > diversity of knowledge and experiences that others have.
> >>
> >> > For instance, miracles can always happen... quite as a near improbable
> >> > event can. What it means is another matter. I feel hearing out that
> >> > out, from one who has experienced, is more interesting than the
> >> > pontificating babble on the same matter from someone who has not had
> >> > the wondrous experience.
> >>
> >> > So too, knowledge of any kind... if someone can build it up from the
> >> > empiricals, physical or mental, to realisations that have wider-space
> >> > longer-time scale validity. It is the absolutist general statement,
> >> > having no relationship with the empiricals and their truths, that seem
> >> > so stupid.
> >>
> >> > Human beings have a responsibility to knowing themselves first, before
> >> > speculating about dimensions and what-not. Just now, a cause and
> >> > effect relationship was stated between brain and mind. And, I do not
> >> > see why or how. I do see the physical qualifying what is in the mind,
> >> > as emotion or thought. But they are in the mind, and are not the mind
> >> > itself. The brain is there while we are asleep, and alive too, so why
> >> > do not "have" a mind then ? In fact, why are we ourselves "absent"
> >> > then ?
> >>
> >> > All in all, there is a need on our part to be less glib about facts
> >> > and truths. Untill then, it would be a good idea to go on some
> >> > adventure, or at least long walks, or make a man or woman happy, or
> >> > treat another person to happiness, or taste our way to pleasure, or
> >> > write down one's thoughts and see for oneself what it actually is...
> >>
> >> > On Mar 18, 9:39 am, James Lynch <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Vam <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> > How do you know that, RP, when your dead ? Have you ever died
> before ?
> >>
> >> >> > We all have a body and a mind. Based on its capabilities, or
> >> >> > incapabilities, what are we talking about ? Nature ? We hardly know
> >> >> > what, how much, how far, in what ways... it works, in all the 10 to
> >> >> > power 22 star worlds. What we know of it can hardly determine what
> we
> >> >> > do know about it, quite as the past can hardly define the future !
> >>
> >> >> I read "not" the first time and had to do a double take on your
> >> >> correction. Your concerns are the reason I use the term 'nature',
> when
> >> >> I use it romantically I try to make it clear that I am taking
> >> >> liberties. In general I agree with the last part, which gives me a
> >> >> large pause on words like 'absolute' and 'infinite', as I prefer to
> >> >> see that which is outside the boundary of my vision as a mystery full
> >> >> of potential or perhaps containing probabilities given the degree of
> >> >> my experiences. This reconciles easily with me between pursuits of
> >> >> science, philosophy and human nature.
> >>
> >> >> > Likewise, God. WTF are we talking about ? Now this could seem rude
> but
> >> >> > should make perfect sense in the context. As in what is this God ?
> >> >> > What constitutes it ? How does it relate to that other fog word "
> >> >> > Nature " ?
> >>
> >> >> Nature, to me, is all there is, whatever that may be. Notions such as
> >> >> God I include within 'romantic liberties' but that is a preference
> >> >> within my personal philosophy. Others use it differently in diverse
> >> >> ways, some of which I find appealing.
> >>
> >> >> > I sincerely believe such threads are started on account of
> something
> >> >> > diseased within us !
> >>
> >> >> What point would there be to a pursuit of knowledge or truth without
> >> >> ignorance? Denying the latter sounds robotic. IMO approximation is
> >> >> implicit.
> >>
> >> >> > Healthy people should be talking of matters they know or have
> >> >> > experienced. One can then opine, extrapolate, theorise... and
> still be
> >> >> > understandable.
> >>
> >> >> A good general policy, not sure if all this was for both RP and I but
> >> >> I for one admit failure on every term above at some time or other.
> >> >> "What if?"
> >>
> >> >> Call me a masochist but I enjoy the diversity of thought,
> meanderings,
> >> >> responding to your message, pestering RP's wisdom, etc.. :)
> >>
> >> >> > On Mar 17, 11:26 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >> Good
> >> >> >> Allan
> >> >> >> On Mar 17, 2012 5:28 PM, "RP Singh" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> >> > As long as I am alive I am conscious of the world and myself ,
> but when I
> >> >> >> > am dead I reach a state of permanent unconsciousness , a state
> of supreme
> >> >> >> > peace where nothing disturbs me , a sort of nirvana. that is
> the ultimate
> >> >> >> > state from which nobody returns.
> >>
> >> >> >> > On Friday, March 9, 2012 3:32:12 AM UTC+5:30, Ash wrote:
> >>
> >> >> >> >> This does make some sense to me RP so I hope my question
> doesn't sound
> >> >> >> >> critical. For me thinking in this way causes a massive amount
> of
> >> >> >> >> difficulty, as it sounds like immutable truths, so I have to
> translate
> >> >> >> >> away the language to get glints of my own thinking through. We
> could
> >> >> >> >> easily call my predicament not seeing the forest for the
> trees, and
> >> >> >> >> that would be a fitting if not limited statement. In my mind I
> prefer
> >> >> >> >> to start with the will representing laws of nature which are
> dynamic,
> >> >> >> >> and work more along an opportunistic heuristic. For me it is
> obvious
> >> >> >> >> that some people talk about an n-dimensional entity, but n is
> an
> >> >> >> >> aspect of scope in one's perspective. If n is potentially
> infinite,
> >> >> >> >> then the truths may have strength but are more optimizations
> than
> >> >> >> >> static ontology. I am wondering if there is some useful
> perspective
> >> >> >> >> that can be used in my situation, or perhaps it is a hopeless
> case.
> >> >> >> >> Perhaps you have something to help me?
> >>
> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 4:21 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> > Neil , there is no difference. The universe is not nature
> but a
> >> >> >> >> > manifestation of Nature or God. It is unconscious but not
> dead, as
> >> >> >> >> > that would have meant no life , further it has to be
> unconscious as
> >> >> >> >> > the conscious is always bound to certain limits and is dual.
> >>
> >> >> >> >> > On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 3:57 AM, archytas <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> That's a little bit different - and I'm in agreement.  Some
> scientists
> >> >> >> >> >> have suggested we could make a universe with life
> conditions in the
> >> >> >> >> >> laboratory - still leaving us with issues about beginnings.
>  Science
> >> >> >> >> >> fiction wise one can imagine making such universes in order
> to travel
> >> >> >> >> >> in time in them to discover more on how we were made - by
> occupying
> >> >> >> >> >> earlier stages of them.  I tend to think of the unconscious
> as what
> >> >> >> >> >> isn't in rational consciousness, but I know this is
> inadequate as much
> >> >> >> >> >> human consciousness in action is not known to the
> participants
> >> >> >> >> >> rationally.
> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> On Mar 5, 2:59 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>> Life had to come from somewhere , why not from an
> unconscious Nature
> >> >> >> >> >>> which would explain the presence of Laws behind every
> action and
> >> >> >> >> >>> inaction.
> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 2:36 AM, archytas <
> [email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>> > That doesn't help RP.  Why this rather than a host of
> alternatives?
> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>> > On Mar 4, 4:28 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>> >> God is not made of fire , air , earth , water , ether
> and
> >> >> >> >> consciousness ,
> >> >> >> >> >>> >> rather all these emanate from Him. God is unconscious
> and without
> >> >> >> >> >>> >> attributes.
> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>> >> On Sunday, January 29, 2012 8:51:49 PM UTC+5:30, RP
> Singh wrote:
> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>> >> > God , Nature , Truth , Reality is unconscious and the
> Creation
> >> >> >> >> which
> >> >> >> >> >>> >> > emanates from it has no choice. You may think that
> you have
> >> >> >> >> choice , but
> >> >> >> >> >>> >> > whatever you think , feel and do is as certain as the
> trajectory
> >> >> >> >> of the
> >> >> >> >> >>> >> > celestial bodies. The entire universe , you included,
> is bound
> >> >> >> >> by laws and
> >> >> >> >> >>> >> > everyone is a slave to" Laws", that is , "The Will of
> God".
> >> >> >> >> >>> >> On Sunday, January 29, 2012 8:51:49 PM UTC+5:30, RP
> Singh wrote:
> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>> >> > God , Nature , Truth , Reality is unconscious and the
> Creation
> >> >> >> >> which
> >> >> >> >> >>> >> > emanates from it has no choice. You may think that
> you have
> >> >> >> >> choice , but
> >> >> >> >> >>> >> > whatever you think , feel and do is as certain as the
> trajectory
> >> >> >> >> of the
> >> >> >> >> >>> >> > celestial bodies. The entire universe , you included,
> is bound
> >> >> >> >> by laws and
> >> >> >> >> >>> >> > everyone is a slave to" Laws", that is , "The Will of
> God".
>



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