I know, that's an after effect of viewing the world through the lemniscate. You train yourself to balance out the past and the future to get a clear and sharp view of the present. Not practical for others though.
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 7:44 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > You don't sound out of place here to me Bill. Gabby often does - but > this is why she is such a treasure. Meaning often dawns long after > I've read her prose. > My ideal alien will see dark matter - the term 'see' needing some > explanation in the absence of light. A key element in our thinking I > rebel against is making the future stuck in the past and present. > Turbo evolutionary minced pie! > > In origin we are already alien - the elements of life were formed far > far away in the Big Bang cycle. There is something out there with the > frequency signature of bacteria. Living and travelling in space is > not practical in our current form - lack of gravity. I hate > travelling in the sense I want to be where I'm going. I suspect space > travellers would have to hibernate or possibly travel as information > that takes form at destination. If this latter is possible they may > be walking amongst us. > > On 23 Oct, 07:37, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >> Oddly Bill I never gave them much thought,, and since you brought up >> the topic,, I have been doing some thinking on it.. >> >> One if the things i concluded is the film makers are wrong,, for the >> simple reason is there is only one God in this universe (actually >> any string there is only one God and that is the same God for all >> beings,, I can not conceive of that God having a different set of law >> for science or beliefs.. >> >> I can see them carious about us and wanting to poke and prod and we do >> the same to alien being that allegedly come her and have be captured >> for what ever reason that is how we responded ,, but basic morality >> will be the same.. the main reason for going to space will be >> resources and it till take eons and beyond to even begin to deplete >> them,, tend to think that it is similar else where in the universe.. >> they will have essentially the same morality as us ,, hopefully they >> will live to it better. >> Allan >> >> On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 12:06 AM, William L Houts <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > I have almost exactly the opposite feeling about any alien species we might >> > run into. I think alien afficionadoes here on Earth are looking for >> > Benevolent Space Brothers to bail us out of our collective trainwreck. And >> > what we're going to find, once the romance of spaceships has been stripped >> > away, is that the aliens will turn out to be people with problems, just >> > like >> > us. No big solutions, no cold fusion,no star trek. Just some guys who can >> > travel a bit, but who wonder when they'll hit pay dirt and what it all >> > means. >> >> > --Bill >> >> > On 10/22/2012 10:12 AM, archytas wrote: >> >> >> I have it that passing aliens will say to themselves 'should we stop >> >> and help those poor, daft sods out'? I suspect the reply is a groaned >> >> chorus that apes are always more trouble than they are worth. >> >> >> I think we will find life or fossils on Mars soon - maybe only of >> >> bacteria-like creatures. There are creatures on Earth that 'breathe' >> >> sulphur rather than oxygen (or at least metabolise using the stuff - >> >> it's very like oxygen if you remember the periodic table). >> >> I wonder whether aliens will have a teenage phase - humans are the >> >> only such species on Earth. >> >> >> Current sway in physics is not to Big Bang - but rather a collision of >> >> three flat universes, so the potential vastness is 'huge'. Science >> >> fiction is an odd genre and has almost no science in it at all. >> >> There's a planet in Alpha Centuri and possibly others - about 4.3 >> >> light years distant. One can imagine travel there with improvements >> >> in current technology - including our own genetic transformation using >> >> features of other life here to allow cryostasis. There's a algae that >> >> cooperate by 'climbing on each others backs' in surf so that the top >> >> ones get shot into the air and then jet-stream. >> >> >> I like the idea of a man (suitably changed) or woman shooting off to >> >> 'breed' with an alien race that directly perceives dark matter. >> >> Breeding would not be the kind of thing rigsy and I might imagine in a >> >> distant alternative past involving theatre, wine, whisky and all the >> >> fun of child-rearing and 'regret'. It might be altogether more >> >> adventurous. Sex, by this time, might be more directly about >> >> knowledge-sharing and a new quest for the Holy Grail. Any ideas on >> >> wooing an intelligent arthropod Bill? >> >> >> On 22 Oct, 07:10, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >>> lol Bill me thinks you are preoccupied with aliens... >> >>> Of course there are "other" species the universe is to large for it >> >>> not to occur.. >> >> >>> it is more of a question of what type of space drive have they >> >>> developed.. or have the figured out how to grasp the very fabric of >> >>> space and pull space toward themselves.. or how to travel immense >> >>> distances.. fortunately we have not. >> >>> Allan >> >> >>> On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 12:03 AM, William L Houts <[email protected]> >> >>> wrote: >> >> >>>> Hey, Illuminated Friends, >> >>>> I'm thinking I may have already asked this question in essence, but I'm >> >>>> rolling it out again. It seems that I'm the high woo woo guy in this >> >>>> crowd, >> >>>> though I freely admit that everyone entertains my high woo woo ideas >> >>>> with >> >>>> all seriousness and courtesy. >> >>>> So this is the thing: does the final game boil down to just humans and >> >>>> God >> >>>> --whatever who / that is-- or do you suppose that we share this huge >> >>>> universe --a universe positively dripping with poisonous gamma rays-- >> >>>> with >> >>>> alien others? For my own part, I'm thinking that the cosmos has cooked >> >>>> up >> >>>> numerous quasi-crustacean species on at least hundreds of thousands of >> >>>> worlds in our galaxy alone, with an additional several hundred sentient >> >>>> species for good measure. Most human beings, it seems to me, are >> >>>> basically >> >>>> good as long as they're getting their basic animal requirements met, so >> >>>> I >> >>>> also think that a few intelligent anthropoids have survived long enough >> >>>> to >> >>>> have become space-faring peoples. It is beyond me, though, why any such >> >>>> people would find us very interesting at this point in our history. >> >>>> Another >> >>>> thousand years, should we make it that long, though, and I think that >> >>>> the >> >>>> "Alien Love Fest" sequence from the end of "Close Encounters of the >> >>>> Third >> >>>> Kind" will have become reality. >> >>>> --Mad William >> >>>> -- >> >>>> "I just flew in from the Land of the Dead >> >>>> and boy are my arms tired." >> >>>> -- >> >> >>> -- >> >>> ( >> >>> ) >> >>> |_D Allan >> >> >>> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. >> >> >>> I am a Natural Airgunner - >> >> >>> Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly. >> >> > -- >> > "I just flew in from the Land of the Dead >> > and boy are my arms tired." >> >> > -- >> >> -- >> ( >> ) >> |_D Allan >> >> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. >> >> I am a Natural Airgunner - >> >> Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly. > > -- > > > --
