( x 2 + y 2 ) 2 = a 2 ( x 2 - y 2 ) - unless you are planning to meld with a lemon rather than the alien anthropoid. Mince pies don't have mince in them here.
On 23 Oct, 20:55, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > I know, that's an after effect of viewing the world through the > lemniscate. You train yourself to balance out the past and the future > to get a clear and sharp view of the present. Not practical for others > though. > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 7:44 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > You don't sound out of place here to me Bill. Gabby often does - but > > this is why she is such a treasure. Meaning often dawns long after > > I've read her prose. > > My ideal alien will see dark matter - the term 'see' needing some > > explanation in the absence of light. A key element in our thinking I > > rebel against is making the future stuck in the past and present. > > Turbo evolutionary minced pie! > > > In origin we are already alien - the elements of life were formed far > > far away in the Big Bang cycle. There is something out there with the > > frequency signature of bacteria. Living and travelling in space is > > not practical in our current form - lack of gravity. I hate > > travelling in the sense I want to be where I'm going. I suspect space > > travellers would have to hibernate or possibly travel as information > > that takes form at destination. If this latter is possible they may > > be walking amongst us. > > > On 23 Oct, 07:37, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Oddly Bill I never gave them much thought,, and since you brought up > >> the topic,, I have been doing some thinking on it.. > > >> One if the things i concluded is the film makers are wrong,, for the > >> simple reason is there is only one God in this universe (actually > >> any string there is only one God and that is the same God for all > >> beings,, I can not conceive of that God having a different set of law > >> for science or beliefs.. > > >> I can see them carious about us and wanting to poke and prod and we do > >> the same to alien being that allegedly come her and have be captured > >> for what ever reason that is how we responded ,, but basic morality > >> will be the same.. the main reason for going to space will be > >> resources and it till take eons and beyond to even begin to deplete > >> them,, tend to think that it is similar else where in the universe.. > >> they will have essentially the same morality as us ,, hopefully they > >> will live to it better. > >> Allan > > >> On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 12:06 AM, William L Houts <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > > >> > I have almost exactly the opposite feeling about any alien species we > >> > might > >> > run into. I think alien afficionadoes here on Earth are looking for > >> > Benevolent Space Brothers to bail us out of our collective trainwreck. > >> > And > >> > what we're going to find, once the romance of spaceships has been > >> > stripped > >> > away, is that the aliens will turn out to be people with problems, just > >> > like > >> > us. No big solutions, no cold fusion,no star trek. Just some guys who > >> > can > >> > travel a bit, but who wonder when they'll hit pay dirt and what it all > >> > means. > > >> > --Bill > > >> > On 10/22/2012 10:12 AM, archytas wrote: > > >> >> I have it that passing aliens will say to themselves 'should we stop > >> >> and help those poor, daft sods out'? I suspect the reply is a groaned > >> >> chorus that apes are always more trouble than they are worth. > > >> >> I think we will find life or fossils on Mars soon - maybe only of > >> >> bacteria-like creatures. There are creatures on Earth that 'breathe' > >> >> sulphur rather than oxygen (or at least metabolise using the stuff - > >> >> it's very like oxygen if you remember the periodic table). > >> >> I wonder whether aliens will have a teenage phase - humans are the > >> >> only such species on Earth. > > >> >> Current sway in physics is not to Big Bang - but rather a collision of > >> >> three flat universes, so the potential vastness is 'huge'. Science > >> >> fiction is an odd genre and has almost no science in it at all. > >> >> There's a planet in Alpha Centuri and possibly others - about 4.3 > >> >> light years distant. One can imagine travel there with improvements > >> >> in current technology - including our own genetic transformation using > >> >> features of other life here to allow cryostasis. There's a algae that > >> >> cooperate by 'climbing on each others backs' in surf so that the top > >> >> ones get shot into the air and then jet-stream. > > >> >> I like the idea of a man (suitably changed) or woman shooting off to > >> >> 'breed' with an alien race that directly perceives dark matter. > >> >> Breeding would not be the kind of thing rigsy and I might imagine in a > >> >> distant alternative past involving theatre, wine, whisky and all the > >> >> fun of child-rearing and 'regret'. It might be altogether more > >> >> adventurous. Sex, by this time, might be more directly about > >> >> knowledge-sharing and a new quest for the Holy Grail. Any ideas on > >> >> wooing an intelligent arthropod Bill? > > >> >> On 22 Oct, 07:10, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >>> lol Bill me thinks you are preoccupied with aliens... > >> >>> Of course there are "other" species the universe is to large for it > >> >>> not to occur.. > > >> >>> it is more of a question of what type of space drive have they > >> >>> developed.. or have the figured out how to grasp the very fabric of > >> >>> space and pull space toward themselves.. or how to travel immense > >> >>> distances.. fortunately we have not. > >> >>> Allan > > >> >>> On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 12:03 AM, William L Houts <[email protected]> > >> >>> wrote: > > >> >>>> Hey, Illuminated Friends, > >> >>>> I'm thinking I may have already asked this question in essence, but > >> >>>> I'm > >> >>>> rolling it out again. It seems that I'm the high woo woo guy in this > >> >>>> crowd, > >> >>>> though I freely admit that everyone entertains my high woo woo ideas > >> >>>> with > >> >>>> all seriousness and courtesy. > >> >>>> So this is the thing: does the final game boil down to just humans > >> >>>> and > >> >>>> God > >> >>>> --whatever who / that is-- or do you suppose that we share this huge > >> >>>> universe --a universe positively dripping with poisonous gamma rays-- > >> >>>> with > >> >>>> alien others? For my own part, I'm thinking that the cosmos has > >> >>>> cooked > >> >>>> up > >> >>>> numerous quasi-crustacean species on at least hundreds of thousands of > >> >>>> worlds in our galaxy alone, with an additional several hundred > >> >>>> sentient > >> >>>> species for good measure. Most human beings, it seems to me, are > >> >>>> basically > >> >>>> good as long as they're getting their basic animal requirements met, > >> >>>> so > >> >>>> I > >> >>>> also think that a few intelligent anthropoids have survived long > >> >>>> enough > >> >>>> to > >> >>>> have become space-faring peoples. It is beyond me, though, why any > >> >>>> such > >> >>>> people would find us very interesting at this point in our history. > >> >>>> Another > >> >>>> thousand years, should we make it that long, though, and I think that > >> >>>> the > >> >>>> "Alien Love Fest" sequence from the end of "Close Encounters of the > >> >>>> Third > >> >>>> Kind" will have become reality. > >> >>>> --Mad William > >> >>>> -- > >> >>>> "I just flew in from the Land of the Dead > >> >>>> and boy are my arms tired." > >> >>>> -- > > >> >>> -- > >> >>> ( > >> >>> ) > >> >>> |_D Allan > > >> >>> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. > > >> >>> I am a Natural Airgunner - > > >> >>> Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly. > > >> > -- > >> > "I just flew in from the Land of the Dead > >> > and boy are my arms tired." > > >> > -- > > >> -- > >> ( > >> ) > >> |_D Allan > > >> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. > > >> I am a Natural Airgunner - > > >> Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly. > > > -- --
