Andrew believe me God is very real not just atoms and energy, to prove it to you forget it when people have a predetermined mind set, knowing everything are unable to think beyond their ideas. (Known generality) Allan
Matrix ** th3 beginning light On Dec 4, 2012 11:40 PM, "andrew vecsey" <[email protected]> wrote: > How I understand what you are saying is that there is the physical part of > reality that includes matter and energy, and there is the other part of > reality (mental or emotional or imaginary ????) that includes spirit which > is the realm of your God. Did I understand you correctly? That would make > God imaginary, a figment of imagination. Infinity can only be imagined. It > can not exist physically. . > > On Tuesday, December 4, 2012 1:04:21 PM UTC+1, Lee Douglas wrote: >> >> Hello Andrew, >> >> Heh I can envisage many things, but alas many of them are not true. I >> distinguish between two things, matter and spirit. Mattter is all that is >> physical, which includes physical 'matter' and also energy. To me there is >> no paradox of who created the creator. Before the begining there was only >> God, God in spirit, and God created the creation out of the spirt of God. >> That is all matter comes from spirit. >> On Friday, 30 November 2012 18:32:43 UTC, andrew vecsey wrote: >> >>> Lee, I can see where all matter has to have an energy component to it >>> because matter is manifested as atoms which have motion in them. But I >>> could also envision pure motion without involving any atoms...like a >>> vibration in the fabric of space, >>> >>> On Friday, November 30, 2012 5:53:26 PM UTC+1, Lee Douglas wrote: >>>> >>>> Heh except of course that when it comes right down to it.energy is >>>> matter and matter is energy. >>>> On Friday, 30 November 2012 11:22:14 UTC, andrew vecsey wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The paradoxical dilemma of who created the creator can be >>>>> circumnavigated by the possibility that the original creator was not >>>>> matter, but energy. Just like thinking of anything is much faster and much >>>>> easier than building it, it becomes conceivable that energy patterns could >>>>> have evolved in a random chance way and finely tuned by selective >>>>> processes >>>>> to reach intelligence similar to how most scientists believe that patterns >>>>> of atoms and molecules evolved to form intelligent life. >>>>> >>>>> Energy patterns could have evolved to a point that they manipulated >>>>> atoms to desired patterns and forms to code the information required for >>>>> life and to allow them to evolve on their own to complex intelligent >>>>> beings >>>>> able to wonder at and eventually to solve the riddle of where they came >>>>> from, where they are going and why they are alive. Meaning and purpose >>>>> could then be given to our fleeting moment of existence. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, November 29, 2012 7:55:05 PM UTC+1, archytas wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ....... All we have in respect of this is to posit >>>>>> creation, begging the question of what created that in an infinite >>>>>> regress. .....We might get to an intelligent state in which creation >>>>>> myths are replaced by something more plausible and Truth comes >>>>>> closer. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 29 Nov, 01:41, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> > Neil , even after re-transposition how long could the brain live >>>>>> > --1000 years , 10000years or maybe as long as the universe ,but >>>>>> > ultimately it will die or be destroyed at the end - time of the >>>>>> > universe. What survives is the Truth behind life and nothing else. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 3:33 AM, archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> > > What survives is the gene - subject to mutations etc. We are >>>>>> already >>>>>> > > 'Borg' in the sense of mass assimilation. One's mind could be >>>>>> > > transposed to another substrate (nearish future) - our bodies are >>>>>> > > currently replaced every 5 years or so- and the new substrate >>>>>> could >>>>>> > > have nanobots that would allow minds to outlive Lee's 'hope'. >>>>>> Such >>>>>> > > substrated minds might link in super-intelligence and be able to >>>>>> re- >>>>>> > > transfer into more human-like bodies they learned to make. This >>>>>> would >>>>>> > > be a time beyond singularity. We don't know what such >>>>>> intelligence >>>>>> > > might invent or even discover - perhaps such intelligence would >>>>>> > > discover we are not as alone as we think. Being human or human >>>>>> being >>>>>> > > might be as irrelevant as a mitochondria wanting to live free >>>>>> again. >>>>>> > > We might be free of the tiny machines (genes) so much part of our >>>>>> > > behaviour now. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > On 28 Nov, 14:40, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> > >> T9 grrrrrrr >>>>>> > >> Allan >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> Matrix ** th3 beginning light >>>>>> > >> On Nov 28, 2012 11:38 AM, "gabbydott" <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> > Ah! That's the extended version of 'possibly maybe' then (my >>>>>> grammar and >>>>>> > >> > spelling checker suggests 10 instead of 'then' though)! :) >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> > 2012/11/28 James <[email protected]> >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> >> I am an aspect of what was, is, and will be, coextensively. >>>>>> Maybe. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> >> On 11/27/2012 2:28 AM, RP Singh wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> >>> Attachment to life is the cause of the desire for >>>>>> immortality and the >>>>>> > >> >>> readiness to believe in an after-life or re-birth. It is an >>>>>> off-shoot of >>>>>> > >> >>> the instinct for survival. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> >>> -- >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> >> -- >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> > -- >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > -- >>>>>> >>>>> -- > > > > --
