As a human I am part of the ecosystem I am living in, but I am not the creator of the ecosystem. That's my understanding of us.
On Tuesday, December 4, 2012 11:43:43 PM UTC+1, andrew vecsey wrote: > > Dear Gabby. Your problem of accepting "man-made" concepts or thoughts is > puzzling for me. Are you not human? What else is there???? > > On Tuesday, December 4, 2012 6:38:22 PM UTC+1, gabbydott wrote: >> >> The pointlessness of the points' business. Like Lee, I find the God >> concept much more to the point. :) >> >> I don't follow Lee's sequencing model - first spirit, then matter - >> though. This sounds very man-made to me. ;) >> >> As for the storytelling aspect, yes, the Chronos story is much more vivid >> than the "God created (x) and saw it was good" story. That's true. But the >> children are less likely to have bad dreams at night. Which is really good. >> >> Sorry, Allan, I got carried away. What were you talking about? >> >> >> 2012/12/4 Allan H <[email protected]> >> >>> a series of creation is at best a wild guess with no supporting >>> evidence.. >>> Allan >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 4:42 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > You can pinpoint the beginning of this universe but not that of >>> > Creation with its series of universes. >>> > >>> > On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> That is not true the beginning can be pretty much pinpointed .. as >>> for >>> >> parallel universes that is just a wild guess with nothing to support >>> the >>> >> other than it sounds good. There is more evidence supporting the >>> spiritual >>> >> realm than parallel universes >>> >> Allan >>> >> >>> >> Matrix ** th3 beginning light >>> >> >>> >> On Dec 4, 2012 2:26 PM, "RP Singh" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> In my view there is no beginning to creation. There is beginning and >>> >>> end to universes There are infinite no. of universes in parallel and >>> >>> continuously many universes are being born and many are dying , but >>> >>> Creation which includes infinite universes in eternal time , just >>> like >>> >>> the Spirit, is without beginning and without end. The difference is >>> >>> that the nature of creation is dualistic and the Spirit is non-dual. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> > Hello Andrew, >>> >>> > >>> >>> > Heh I can envisage many things, but alas many of them are not >>> true. I >>> >>> > distinguish between two things, matter and spirit. Mattter is all >>> that >>> >>> > is >>> >>> > physical, which includes physical 'matter' and also energy. To me >>> there >>> >>> > is >>> >>> > no paradox of who created the creator. Before the begining there >>> was >>> >>> > only >>> >>> > God, God in spirit, and God created the creation out of the spirt >>> of >>> >>> > God. >>> >>> > That is all matter comes from spirit. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > On Friday, 30 November 2012 18:32:43 UTC, andrew vecsey wrote: >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> Lee, I can see where all matter has to have an energy component >>> to it >>> >>> >> because matter is manifested as atoms which have motion in them. >>> But I >>> >>> >> could >>> >>> >> also envision pure motion without involving any atoms...like a >>> >>> >> vibration in >>> >>> >> the fabric of space, >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> On Friday, November 30, 2012 5:53:26 PM UTC+1, Lee Douglas wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Heh except of course that when it comes right down to it.energy >>> is >>> >>> >>> matter >>> >>> >>> and matter is energy. >>> >>> >>> On Friday, 30 November 2012 11:22:14 UTC, andrew vecsey wrote: >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> The paradoxical dilemma of who created the creator can be >>> >>> >>>> circumnavigated by the possibility that the original creator >>> was not >>> >>> >>>> matter, >>> >>> >>>> but energy. Just like thinking of anything is much faster and >>> much >>> >>> >>>> easier >>> >>> >>>> than building it, it becomes conceivable that energy patterns >>> could >>> >>> >>>> have >>> >>> >>>> evolved in a random chance way and finely tuned by selective >>> >>> >>>> processes to >>> >>> >>>> reach intelligence similar to how most scientists believe that >>> >>> >>>> patterns of >>> >>> >>>> atoms and molecules evolved to form intelligent life. >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> Energy patterns could have evolved to a point that they >>> manipulated >>> >>> >>>> atoms to desired patterns and forms to code the information >>> required >>> >>> >>>> for >>> >>> >>>> life and to allow them to evolve on their own to complex >>> intelligent >>> >>> >>>> beings >>> >>> >>>> able to wonder at and eventually to solve the riddle of where >>> they >>> >>> >>>> came >>> >>> >>>> from, where they are going and why they are alive. Meaning and >>> >>> >>>> purpose could >>> >>> >>>> then be given to our fleeting moment of existence. >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> On Thursday, November 29, 2012 7:55:05 PM UTC+1, archytas wrote: >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> ....... All we have in respect of this is to posit >>> >>> >>>>> creation, begging the question of what created that in an >>> infinite >>> >>> >>>>> regress. .....We might get to an intelligent state in which >>> >>> >>>>> creation >>> >>> >>>>> myths are replaced by something more plausible and Truth comes >>> >>> >>>>> closer. >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> On 29 Nov, 01:41, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>> > Neil , even after re-transposition how long could the brain >>> live >>> >>> >>>>> > --1000 years , 10000years or maybe as long as the universe >>> ,but >>> >>> >>>>> > ultimately it will die or be destroyed at the end - time of >>> the >>> >>> >>>>> > universe. What survives is the Truth behind life and nothing >>> else. >>> >>> >>>>> > >>> >>> >>>>> > >>> >>> >>>>> > >>> >>> >>>>> > >>> >>> >>>>> > >>> >>> >>>>> > >>> >>> >>>>> > >>> >>> >>>>> > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 3:33 AM, archytas <[email protected] >>> > >>> >>> >>>>> > wrote: >>> >>> >>>>> > > What survives is the gene - subject to mutations etc. We >>> are >>> >>> >>>>> > > already >>> >>> >>>>> > > 'Borg' in the sense of mass assimilation. One's mind >>> could be >>> >>> >>>>> > > transposed to another substrate (nearish future) - our >>> bodies >>> >>> >>>>> > > are >>> >>> >>>>> > > currently replaced every 5 years or so- and the new >>> substrate >>> >>> >>>>> > > could >>> >>> >>>>> > > have nanobots that would allow minds to outlive Lee's >>> 'hope'. >>> >>> >>>>> > > Such >>> >>> >>>>> > > substrated minds might link in super-intelligence and be >>> able to >>> >>> >>>>> > > re- >>> >>> >>>>> > > transfer into more human-like bodies they learned to make. >>> This >>> >>> >>>>> > > would >>> >>> >>>>> > > be a time beyond singularity. We don't know what such >>> >>> >>>>> > > intelligence >>> >>> >>>>> > > might invent or even discover - perhaps such intelligence >>> would >>> >>> >>>>> > > discover we are not as alone as we think. Being human or >>> human >>> >>> >>>>> > > being >>> >>> >>>>> > > might be as irrelevant as a mitochondria wanting to live >>> free >>> >>> >>>>> > > again. >>> >>> >>>>> > > We might be free of the tiny machines (genes) so much part >>> of >>> >>> >>>>> > > our >>> >>> >>>>> > > behaviour now. >>> >>> >>>>> > >>> >>> >>>>> > > On 28 Nov, 14:40, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>> > >> T9 grrrrrrr >>> >>> >>>>> > >> Allan >>> >>> >>>>> > >>> >>> >>>>> > >> Matrix ** th3 beginning light >>> >>> >>>>> > >> On Nov 28, 2012 11:38 AM, "gabbydott" < >>> [email protected]> >>> >>> >>>>> > >> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>> > >>> >>> >>>>> > >> > Ah! That's the extended version of 'possibly maybe' >>> then (my >>> >>> >>>>> > >> > grammar and >>> >>> >>>>> > >> > spelling checker suggests 10 instead of 'then' though)! >>> :) >>> >>> >>>>> > >>> >>> >>>>> > >> > 2012/11/28 James <[email protected]> >>> >>> >>>>> > >>> >>> >>>>> > >> >> I am an aspect of what was, is, and will be, >>> coextensively. >>> >>> >>>>> > >> >> Maybe. >>> >>> >>>>> > >>> >>> >>>>> > >> >> On 11/27/2012 2:28 AM, RP Singh wrote: >>> >>> >>>>> > >>> >>> >>>>> > >> >>> Attachment to life is the cause of the desire for >>> >>> >>>>> > >> >>> immortality >>> >>> >>>>> > >> >>> and the >>> >>> >>>>> > >> >>> readiness to believe in an after-life or re-birth. It >>> is an >>> >>> >>>>> > >> >>> off-shoot of >>> >>> >>>>> > >> >>> the instinct for survival. >>> >>> >>>>> > >>> >>> >>>>> > >> >>> -- >>> >>> >>>>> > >>> >>> >>>>> > >> >> -- >>> >>> >>>>> > >>> >>> >>>>> > >> > -- >>> >>> >>>>> > >>> >>> >>>>> > > -- >>> >>> > >>> >>> > -- >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> -- >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > -- >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ( >>> ) >>> |_D Allan >>> >>> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. >>> >>> >>> I am a Natural Airgunner - >>> >>> Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly. >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> >> --
