We are more than just individuals because alone by ourselves we can not survive at all. First, we need a mate to love, be loved by and to mate with. Then we need a family to support and to keep going. Our family needs a neighborhood to work in. Our neighborhood needs a society and societies need nations to compete and grow. Mankind needs nature for nurture and nature needs a healthy planet. We individually can not have a purposeful life unless we have all of those components. Self sacrifice is ensuring that those components are maintained. It is easy for me to imagine myself dying for my children. It is also easy to imagine myself dying in order to save mankind. I have trouble seeing myself dying for my neighbor or my country, but I do admit that I am thankful that there are people who are ready to do just that. So I do think that morality and patriotism do make sense to ensure survival. On Wednesday, January 23, 2013 12:13:24 PM UTC+1, RP Singh wrote: > > If survival were the purpose for an individual , morality and > patriotism would make no sense. In my opinion man is born without a > god-given purpose , and it is society which builds , develops and > inculcates a purpose in the individual. That would explain the > self-sacrificing deeds of great valor exhibited by many people. > > On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 6:48 PM, rigs <[email protected] <javascript:>> > wrote: > > We do not always know what impact lives have upon one another but I > > stand by my opinion that our primary purpose is to live/survive. As > > you know, Jesus made use of sinners- Romans fell on their swords in > > shame- early Christians earned sainthood- Islam distorts martyrdom as > > a war tactic. > > > > On Jan 21, 10:25 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> " To live. " As everyone , saint and sinner , lives that makes life > >> purposeless at least spiritually. If mere existing is the purpose then > >> howsoever you live is important and there is no use for martyrdom. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Monday, January 21, 2013 9:00:28 PM UTC+5:30, rigs wrote: > >> > >> > To live. How do we know the condition of their souls? Death teaches > >> > the rest of us that life is precious and brief. > >> > >> > On Jan 21, 8:03 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > What you are saying , Andrew , is the spiritual lesson we take from > >> > > the experience of others , but what is the spiritual purpose for > that > >> > > child or for the old man ? > >> > >> > > On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 7:11 PM, andrew vecsey < > [email protected]> > >> > wrote: > >> > > > In suppose the spiritual purpose for the old man is to experience > the > >> > > > experience and to give the opportunity for others to react to > this > >> > > > experience. The spiritual purpose of the 1 year old is to > experience a > >> > very > >> > > > short life. The purpose of any life is to experience, learn and > teach. > >> > From > >> > > > the old man we can learn to be thankful of our own lives and > learn how > >> > to > >> > > > live it right to try to avoid having a stroke. From the 1 year > old we > >> > cam > >> > > > learn to be sympathetic and to ask questions that make us ponder > about > >> > the > >> > > > purpose of it all. > >> > >> > > > On Monday, January 21, 2013 1:31:34 PM UTC+1, RP Singh wrote: > >> > >> > > >> An old man suffers a stroke and becomes a vegetable for the rest > of > >> > his > >> > > >> life , a one year old child becomes sick and dies. What is the > >> > purpose , the > >> > > >> spiritual purpose for the old man or the child ? > >> > >> > > > --- Hide quoted text - > >> > >> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > >> > >> - Show quoted text - > > > > -- > > > > > > >
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