Perhaps thinking can be divided into 2 kinds; emotional and logical. Emotional thinking includes imagining, fantasizing and remembering. Logical thinking includes pondering, contemplating, reasoning, problem solving, analyzing, planning, desiring, admiring, and criticizing. I personally need the language of monologue (talking to myself) for the logical type of thinking only. For the emotional type of thinking, I find feeling is enough. For a computer, feelings are algorithms that are programed. Programmed emotions are as easy to see thru them as faked emotions of humans are.
On Saturday, January 26, 2013 4:51:14 PM UTC+1, archytas wrote: > > If one tries to think in logic one first translates ordinary language > in which even simple sentences are ambiguous - memories occur in > thinking and these are often inaccurate. To get machines 'thinking' > we have to change ordinary language into their logic (language). Is > thought done in language at all? > > On Jan 11, 5:48 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > Why do only fools and horses work? Max sometimes has that look of > > love in his eye. Not sure I'd have been brave enough to dance with > > wolves. > > > > There are tribes that hardly talk - most of the communication is sign > > (off Equatorial Guinea somewhere). E = mc2 is not represented like > > this in my head. I don't see anything when I 'visualise' in maths or > > do spatial reasoning. Some maths savants report seeing numbers and > > sums in shapes. Chimps are quicker at some maths than humans. I can > > wade through 100s of pages of academic and student work without > > spotting any evidence of thought! > > > > On Jan 11, 1:51 am, rigs <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Humanity has herdlike qualities and new ideas or approaches are not > > > easily accepted- same old grazing on old ideas and methods. It is also > > > a trait of activities beyond economics and government as history and > > > culture illustrate over and over again. You are also making the > > > establishment nervous so they will quash or silence. > > > > > Now the communication between dog and human is interesting- > > > unconditional love and loyalty. Or have we enslaved pets by > > > domesticating them and making them thoroughly dependent? > > > > > On Jan 10, 7:14 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Thinking is accompanied by some kind of 'brain voice' in my head - > > > > this is sort of a dialogue in monologue and it gets obsessive. If I > > > > manage to switch off and sleep or do something that demands > attention > > > > so the internal voice stops, I find I may have moved on past > > > > barriers. > > > > > > There is a public language of thinking that is highly restrictive > and > > > > various rules on how thinking can be presented through gatekeeping > > > > activities. Much 'thought' seems based on copying and in my areas > of > > > > current study (organisation theory and economics) it's pretty clear > we > > > > keep copying mistakes. > > > > > > On Jan 10, 1:44 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Right. That's aiming straight at the question immanent functional > > > > > orientation, not only solving the cui bono question. > > > > > > > 2013/1/10 rigs <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > I was thinking more about this though it's only a personal > opinion; > > > > > > though humans share universal behaviors, I am not sure many > qualify as > > > > > > languages of thinking. Maybe we need a definition? One could be > misled > > > > > > easily enough- perhaps a waddle-walk means a dance or an > invitation, > > > > > > etc. And technology and science also have their languages- > somewhat > > > > > > like Latin of the Middle Ages, in a way. > > > > > > > > On Jan 6, 9:41 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > This is indeed a very, very complex topic worth discussing and > > > > > > simplifying. > > > > > > > Help me understand what you are aiming at by telling me > whether music and > > > > > > > dance would also account for languages of thinking. Thanks. > > > > > > > > > 2013/1/6 andrew vecsey <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > I have written a new chapter to my "Think Park - A Journey > thru space > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > time" publication/video that made me think more about > thinking. > > > > > > Whenever I > > > > > > > > think, I seem to be talking to myself, I can think about > something in > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > memory by imagining and reliving sensations I remember, but > whenever I > > > > > > > > think about those memories, I ultimately revert to talking > to my self > > > > > > (up > > > > > > > > to now, fortunately silently). Do others in this group of > thinkers > > > > > > have the > > > > > > > > same experience? If yes, why do you think that it is like > that? If > > > > > > not, how > > > > > > > > do you manage to think without mentally talking it out? The > excerpt of > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > new chapter that started me thinking about this line of > thought is > > > > > > below: > > > > > > > > > > "Before men could talk, they groaned and grunted. Just like > with > > > > > > crying > > > > > > > > and laughing, it was sometimes difficult to tell the > difference between > > > > > > > > displays of sorrow and joy, or pain and pleasure. At the 60 > meter > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > from the start of the think park, about 18,000 years ago, > man started > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > use *words* to display his emotions. Words helped man to > think and > > > > > > > > enabled him to articulate and share his inner most thoughts. > *Pictures > > > > > > > > and written words* enabled his thoughts and his knowledge to > be stored > > > > > > > > for later contemplation and to be scattered like seed to > grow. This > > > > > > > > cultivation, communication and sharing of thoughts, > knowledge and > > > > > > > > experience resulted in the growth of *agriculture* that > enabled * > > > > > > > > civilizations* to flourish." > > > > > > > > > > --- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > --- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > --
