Madmen, drunks and idiots believe they are thinking. Are you thinking without disiplined language skills or is it gibberish? Math and music also qualify as languages but I would discard the dance. Much is lost in translation of various languages- will worldwide English be a plus or minus?
On Jan 7, 9:29 am, andrew vecsey <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks for the tip to see the comedy. I found it funny. I suppose there are > kinds of thinking like imagining, fantasizing and remembering that for me > does not always need the monologue in my head. But with pondering, > contemplating, reasoning, problem solving, analyzing, planning, desiring, > admiring, criticizing I need to talk to myself. Sometimes I do get ideas > come to my head without having thought about anything. I disagree with > Allen when he says "what good is thinking if you can not communicate it". I > do not communicate or share all of my thoughts, but I still value those > thoughts. > > > > On Monday, January 7, 2013 4:53:39 AM UTC+1, Ash wrote: > > > It is quite irritating to hear a monologue when I'm trying to think, > > perhaps that's why I find it so hard to write. When I am pondering > > things I am free from it, there are concepts and ideas moving around too > > fast and messily. Communication is difficult triggering memory can be > > like navigating a minefield, first there is interpreting, then there is > > everything that shouldn't be said (which seems like everything under the > > freaking sun), then putting things into digestible bits and so on. I > > can't imagine how people write so easily, it seems mine are all lies and > > hypocrisy, I'm cursing nearly every word with contempt but still need to > > speak. A damnable position to be in no doubt.. ;-) > > > My first reaction is to discount music and dance as just aesthetic > > expression, but if I try to place that in the field of language it is > > tricky. The most direct observation I have is in meditative moments, > > where something is captivating, the emotional experiences stimulated by > > audio visual and abstract stimulus have some similarity at times. I > > think this goes back to the earliest storytelling that was probably > > reenactments and rudimentary symbolic concepts optimized for > > preprogrammed genetic language induced stimulus-response mechanisms. > > Those we iteratively adapted to changing environments, genetics, and > > experiences as more advanced language and environmental analysis and > > interpretation would afford a higher survival rate to innovations. > > > Andrew, there is a comedy called History of the World Part 1, you might > > find it a humorous take on human progress. "It's good to be the king." > > LMAO > > > On 1/6/2013 12:35 PM, andrew vecsey wrote: > > > I suppose dance would be like body language. You raise a very > > > interesting point for me about music Gabby. Sometimes when I am in the > > > right frame of mind, I can think of music and I am able to hear (in my > > > mind) the music, hearing all the notes being played in detail. At those > > > times, when I think of music with lyrics, I can hear (in my mind) the > > > words of the song even though I can not remember the words normally. > > > Kind of strange. Has anyone else experienced that? I suppose it is a > > > kind of photographic memory retrieval. But what I meant to discuss in > > > this post is that if I want to think about the music or about the > > > dance... maybe to critique it or to analyze it, I find that I can not do > > > that without articulating the thoughts in my mind with words. I wonder > > > if others have found the same thing. > > > > On Sunday, January 6, 2013 4:41:53 PM UTC+1, Gabby wrote: > > > > This is indeed a very, very complex topic worth discussing and > > > simplifying. Help me understand what you are aiming at by telling me > > > whether music and dance would also account for languages of > > > thinking. Thanks. > > > > 2013/1/6 andrew vecsey <[email protected] <javascript:>> > > > > I have written a new chapter to my "Think Park - A Journey thru > > > space and time" publication/video that made me think more about > > > thinking. Whenever I think, I seem to be talking to myself, I > > > can think about something in my memory by imagining and reliving > > > sensations I remember, but whenever I think about those > > > memories, I ultimately revert to talking to my self (up to now, > > > fortunately silently). Do others in this group of thinkers have > > > the same experience? If yes, why do you think that it is like > > > that? If not, how do you manage to think without mentally > > > talking it out? The excerpt of my new chapter that started me > > > thinking about this line of thought is below: > > > > "Before men could talk, they groaned and grunted.Just like with > > > crying and laughing, it was sometimes difficult to tell the > > > difference between displays of sorrow and joy, or pain and > > > pleasure.At the 60 meter point from the start of the think park, > > > about 18,000 years ago, man started to use *words* to display > > > his emotions. Words helped man to think and enabled him to > > > articulate and share his inner most thoughts.*Pictures and > > > written words* enabled his thoughts and his knowledge to be > > > stored for later contemplation and to be scattered like seed to > > > grow.This cultivation, communication and sharing of thoughts, > > > knowledge and experience resulted in the growth of *agriculture* > > > that enabled *civilizations* to flourish." > > > > -- > > > > --- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --
