Ego nihil scio ... nihil On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 7:39 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > She goes weak at the knees over injustice before taking up the courage > of good sense James. I'm nor sure anything else matters once you know > that. Another German friend used to act as my straight man in > lectures on irony. He'd go on for a while and then I'd say - 'so you > Germans even want to take the humour out of irony then'? If the class > laughed we'd continue the routine, swapping roles until the real pitch > on economics - our view being the subject cannot be understood without > irony and that you need to go further than Socrates' jibes and > understand it's more than the relief or insult of the joke. If the > class didn't laugh we'd teach them some maths - usually on derivative > or other hedging and see if they got the irony in that (it can only > work in certain conditions excluded from the maths - it's a bit like > insuring against the certainty that the insurers will have no money > when you need them to pay out). > > > > > Some economists are catching up on where research methods in other > social sciences were 40 years ago - it's painful to watch. This won't > help. Some are fixated with school biology notions of brain structure > (stem, reptilian, limbic and higher - roughly - they call it the > triune brain). In fact the human body has two brains - the enteric > nervous system has loads of neurons and lots of any serotonin washing > about. We know a great deal about the brain (neuroscience) and a lot > of that comes down to Molly's 'embrace the paradox' - most brain > states are roughly ones of ambiguity, We are easily conned by actors > and psychopaths (and may want to be) - and probably bacteria we host. > Economists cite Hobbes on biology - you'd think they'd read Dawkins! > I do some of this in class and introduce neuroeconomics. I hope to > get far enough into this 'new muck' for people to get some handle on > day-to-day irrationality in our behaviour - it ends in another ironic > corner - if much of the high paid decision making is so irrational/ > hormone dependent why have we not swept it away by a more rational > system? And why do we pretend we have? > > > > > I do stuff like 24 hour profit and loss (Enron was good at this) - > this brings sales from, say, 10 years hence (but made now if the > contract holds for 10 years) into the present. I get asked why and > show students what their cut would be if they were working as a trader > in the example and let them choose the pay cheque with or without it. > I do the same with mine assuming I'm taking over-riders from the > whole class. I then ask something like 'compare and contrast bonuses > paid to the UK's 4% financial sector workforce with those pad across > the whole UK economy (the 4% get 40% of all UK bonuses) and how much > has been paid out since Lehman in the UK (£60 billion) and a realistic > estimate of UK bank under-capitalisation (range £25 to £150 billion)'. > - they should get to what caused what themselves, but most of them are > making mental notes to apply for jobs where 24 hour P & L is in > operation. > > > > > I take issue with economists who think we teach these students self- > interests and lack of integrity. I'm just not that good - and anyway > we do a pre-101 ethics test and economics' majors are always the > worst. The rot is in long before higher education and anyway those > with Bildung fell in front of the Nazis like a red carpet. A few of > the kids get into critical material and are nearly always the best at > the routine sums - most of my time is spent teaching those to people > who could never actually see which sums need to be devised, never see > the spreadsheets they use exclude most of what matters to make them > balance easily ... > > The classic whacky economics 'arguments' are such as the case of the > Bulgarian pigs - a whole thesis on the doubling of the Bulgarian pig > industry in 1918 was trashed on the discovery they changed the > calendar in that year and the excess pigs were awaiting Xmas execution > (Xmas now coming after measurement date instead of before). One might > explain trickle down theory or other guff about rigs' 'innovative, > risk taking rich', point to the vast increase of 1% wealth since > Lehman and ask for examples of the fell good factor in the class. The > historical context is that classical economists (Adam Smith, Richardo, > Hume) were all against this rentier class and wanted free markets free > of today's rent-seeking predation and the current mainstream is merely > the ideological adjunct of the current oligarchy. I could butter my > parsnips, but suspect I wouldn't ease students' ability in this regard > in a right-wing job market. In the end I don't hold with the > ideological guff anyway. Swedish labour costs per hour are $40 an > hour and in Bulgaria they are $4/hr - this in the same trading block > (EU). It seems a no-brainer to take your business to Bulgaria - until > you think Sweden has been on of the best places to live since WW1 and > Bulgaria not. I've worked in both and Sweden wins hands down - > despite lousy weather. > > Very few students have minds open to science or have done much > science. They should be off seeing the world, preferably on > international service where the effects of lousy economics and > politics are felt worst. I've usually been better with students over > 30 who have worked out mummy and daddy didn't tell them the truth and > have discovered television is mostly boring. > > > > > > On Mar 28, 3:21 am, James <[email protected]> wrote: >> That I've felt a sense of irony about my task says nothing about my >> salt, it just seems I tensed up and remembered to take a breath 27 years >> later. That sounds like silly psychobabble but that was the feeling. >> Your hint at choosing the best parts was quite helpful in retracing time >> without falling into a hole, thanks gabby and I agree both forward (as >> you said) and backward. The consistent virtues, in my case intuition and >> determination, which set the task. >> >> You are either tough as nails or trying to pry a laugh outta me gabby, >> maybe.. ? >> >> On 3/27/2013 6:38 AM, gabbydott wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Ah, the typical Hipster Zeitgeist self-positioning - please consume >> > with ironic detachment. No, I don't support artificial sweeteners >> > (bad). I prefer taking the truth with a grain of salt (good). >> >> > 2013/3/27 James <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> >> > It seems to me that the task is set between a conditioned identity >> > that adapts and acquires knowledge about a perceptual environment >> > mostly subconsciously on one hand and the other is managing an >> > exchange between acquired directives and the challenge of >> > inadequacies (even when wicked and intractable problems present >> > themselves). How the perceptual environment is absorbed I think >> > has a lot to do with individual traits, but it seems that however >> > many levels of emergent systems are involved there is interaction, >> > communication and adaptation of the different layers (levels, >> > systems, what have you). >> >> > Where it gets interesting is that the background gets filled in >> > while trying to understand and explain the apparent and intuitive. >> > That space is where I see the identity acting as an agent, but >> > more than an agent operating within a 'bounded rationality' (per >> > se) but a construct of multiple motives competing for attention, >> > recognition, expression underlying the persona or more intimately >> > self image and ultimately attenuating the brain to operate within >> > the basic parameters of this environment for better or worse. >> >> > This hypothetical view or variations and thinking systematically >> > helps tame my brain's attenuations, it doesn't seem to be adapted >> > well to me but I manage to patch things up here and there with >> > discipline or bypassing circuits. Long ago my world was fire and >> > ice, now it has to be bridged somehow- reset the task, it is the >> > same but different with some place shifting.. I am right-brain >> > dominant gabby, it is fitting to have a sense of irony about my >> > ideas, especially my earlier message. :) >> >> > On 3/26/2013 3:39 AM, gabbydott wrote: >> >> > Unfortunately, no. My agency does not operate on the basis of >> > an innate, pre-programmed best behavior pattern, it >> > co-develops with me, and I better define it the best behavior >> > I can show, which is not true, of course, but it helps me with >> > my environment. Sorry, who set the task? >> >> > 2013/3/26 James <[email protected] >> > <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] >> > <mailto:[email protected]>>> >> >> > If distortions are the best we can muster lets hope they >> > fit the >> > task at hand, now what that is and where in environment and >> > identity seems very defining no? >> >> > On 3/25/2013 5:02 PM, gabbydott wrote: >> >> > The Big Picture via distorting filters onto Big Data? >> >> > 2013/3/24 andrew vecsey <[email protected] >> > <mailto:[email protected]> >> > <mailto:[email protected] >> > <mailto:[email protected]>> >> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> >> > <mailto:[email protected] >> > <mailto:[email protected]>>>> >> >> > I do not think that we lie to our self so much as >> > that we only >> > see/hear what we want to see/hear. Also we tend to >> > say what we >> > think the other persons wants to hear or say things to >> > hurt other >> > people. >> >> > On Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:46:03 AM UTC+1, rigs >> > wrote: >> >> > I am more interested in why we lie to >> > ourselves, suppress >> > reality and >> > snarl logic in our brains. There are life and >> > death >> > moments of >> > survival, I suppose, but much of our potential is >> > engineered >> > by family >> > and culture in order to achieve some sort of >> > control and >> > order. Even >> > rebels are often little more than a reaction. >> > Pretense and >> > etiquette >> > are often the same thing.//I must have "lost" my >> > thought re "big >> > data"/"Big Daddy? as an organizer of human >> > knowledge >> > versus the >> > present scatterings and specialties.// Yes- I >> > agree >> > most have >> > a gut >> > reaction- but so do other life forms- it's a >> > survival >> > mechanism. But >> > it can be distorted. >> >> > On Mar 24, 4:12 am, andrew vecsey >> > <[email protected] >> > <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] >> > <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: >> > > Faked enthusiasm is as easy to spot as fake >> > love. It >> > is like >> > a built in >> > > like a lie detector that god created us >> > with. Sounds >> > like a >> > good way to >> > > detect lying on the internet. You can call >> > it "god" >> > instead >> > of "big >> > > brother". >> >> > > On Saturday, March 23, 2013 6:08:39 PM UTC+1, >> > archytas wrote: >> >> > > ..................... >> >> > > > Quite what junk DNA is has raised a big recent >> > controversy >> > - gist at >> >> > >> > >http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2013/feb/24/scientists-attacked-ove... >> >> > > > I agree with rigs that the term is >> > unfortunate. >> >> > > > ........but I could feign 'enthusiasm' .. >> > > > ........' to detect resistance! Even this >> > > > .....no employees dumb enough to support >> > > > excellence, ...... >> > > > if we spent out time pointing such devices at >> > > > each other though rigs! Watch out for the >> > first one >> > minute dating >> > > > agency providing such! Arghh" . >> >> > > > On Mar 22, 1:06 pm, rigs >> > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> >> > wrote: >> > > > > Junk is an unfortunate adjective- it >> > sounds too >> > random. >> > My guess is >> > > > > that further selection takes place in >> > this area >> > which >> > selects the >> > > > > strongest marker- or whatever it's >> > called- such >> > in the >> > color of eyes, >> > > > > hair, and other characteristics. There >> > are also >> > generational skips in >> > > > > play. I have noted other strange echoes >> > of a missing >> > parent such as >> > > > > the style of laughter which is a >> > surprise and so >> > many other >> > > > > recognitions. At any rate, we are just >> > beginning >> > to sort >> > through the >> > > > > data in this one area as in others- I >> > think it >> > is called >> > "big data" >> > > > > which will overcome the religious notion of >> > "sins of the >> > father" stuff >> > > > > as well as curses and fate and will >> > hopefully >> > allow a >> > more rational >> > > > > and postive approach/life choices for >> > each unique >> > individual. But it >> > > > > will also cause mischief. >> >> > > > > On Mar 22, 5:16 am, andrew vecsey >> > <[email protected] >> > <mailto:[email protected]> >> > <mailto:[email protected] >> > <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: >> >> > > > > > Not all DNA code for >> >> ... >> >> read more » > > -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > >
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