art that is beautiful, art meant to disturb, art that pushes the technical 
limits previously established, art constructed not to last like chalk on 
sidewalks or sand sculptures on beaches - art comes in many forms and can 
be as simple as a concept in Haiku or complicated as Mt. Rushmore. This age 
old question, will it always be asked and answered? It does provide a 
platform for good dialogue and self exploration.

On Thursday, September 18, 2014 9:05:40 AM UTC-4, archytas wrote:
>
> I agree Facil - though some definition of artist is required.  What is 
> this 'art' not part of 1000 channels with nothing on except the simulacrum 
> of drivel, generally funded by advertising?  I might point to Maxwell 
> (perhaps both the great scientist and my dog) and Einstein.  I've long 
> wondered about art and people-community development - I'm floored by people 
> using dance to work with disabled kids (as an example).  Brian Bevan (rugby 
> leaugue's record try scorer) was a work of art in action.  Gabby might be 
> see as such in another form of side-step.  Not all art brings much reward. 
>  Allan and Andrew have a go, sometimes not at each other.  Molly has often 
> touched me deeply, even if so much of my experience has been 'dark side'. 
>  The chocolate box picture isn't art unless a child is smiling.
>
> Art may have some function in revealing such as 'change is the same thing' 
> and the depravity of political words, the 'lie that tells us the truth' 
> sort of stuff - but does the 'pipe' have to be painted by Magritte?   One 
> confronts this picture doing systems analysis - modelling the reality is 
> not modelling the rhetoric.
>
> On Thursday, 18 September 2014 00:31:17 UTC+1, facilitator wrote:
>>
>> I don't think artists do, otherwise the term "starving artist" would be 
>> applied less frequently.
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:54:57 AM UTC-4, archytas wrote:
>>>
>>> Ms Tidulz says she has no gold and just looks at her claws when I 
>>> suggest she should be replaced with a golden goose.  Perhaps one needs a 
>>> heretic cat?  Do artists have some knack in spotting the drivel we 'all' 
>>> want?
>>>
>>>
>>>>>

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