One can, of course, enjoy perversion Molly - though I don't mean to take your comment negatively. The philosophers easily get somewhere beyond the double negative and the realm of destroying metaphysics without realising that is - er - metaphysical. There are theories that language can't 'mean'. Neither of us would want to 'enjoy' walking into a school to kill teachers and children, which implies 'things not to enjoy'. Feeling sorry about the last slaughter in Pakistan by religious loonies or drone is likely a good thing if we can turn such to action.
What prioritises enjoying experience above feeling bad about injustice? On Tuesday, 16 December 2014 13:47:55 UTC, Molly wrote: > > Your last question is a good one. Why can't we enjoy what we experience, > rather than feeling sorry for ourselves for what we don't? > > On Monday, December 15, 2014 3:16:24 PM UTC-5, archytas wrote: >> >> I have a DSc. though swear I never listened in class. We need a shield >> of innocence to get through "education". The false teachers always deny >> logic. Superstition creeps in - even your soul/s is a classic form Allan. >> Standard supernatural views split between god-centred and soul-centred >> views, naturalism splits into objective - subjective and, of course, >> according to nihilism (or pessimism), what would make a life meaningful >> either cannot obtain or as a matter of fact simply never does. >> >> Here's some classic jive: >> 'Another fresh argument for nihilism is forthcoming from certain defenses >> of anti-natalism, the view that it is immoral to bring new people into >> existence because doing so would be a harm to them. There are now a variety >> of rationales for anti-natalism, but most relevant to debates about whether >> life is meaningful is probably the following argument from David Benatar >> (2006, 18–59). According to him, the bads of existing (e.g., pains) are >> real disadvantages relative to not existing, while the goods of existing >> (pleasures) are not real advantages relative to not existing, since there >> is in the latter state no one to be deprived of them. If indeed the state >> of not existing is no worse than that of experiencing the benefits of >> existence, then, since existing invariably brings harm in its wake, >> existing is always a net harm compared to not existing. Although this >> argument is about goods such as pleasures in the first instance, it seems >> generalizable to non-experiential goods, including that of meaning in life.' >> Benatar, D., 2006, Better Never to Have Been: The Harm of Coming into >> Existence, New York: Oxford University Press. >> >> "Fresh argument"? Gnosticism is rather ancient! >> >> One straightforward rationale for nihilism is the combination of >> supernaturalism about what makes life meaningful and atheism about whether >> God exists. If you believe that God or a soul is necessary for meaning in >> life, and if you believe that neither exists, then you are a nihilist, >> someone who denies that life has meaning. Albert Camus is famous for >> expressing this kind of perspective, suggesting that the lack of an >> afterlife and of a rational, divinely ordered universe undercuts the >> possibility of meaning (Camus 1955; cf. Ecclesiastes). >> Camus, A., 1955, The Myth of Sisyphus, J. O'Brian (tr.), London: H. >> Hamilton. >> >> The "philosophy" (where did we get the idea philosophers do philosophy?) >> has a lot in common with Monty Python - hardly surprising given these >> clowns went to Oxbridge. We might see philosophers as just another set of >> BS merchants selling 'argument'. Let's have your souls and not believe in >> them mate - then we get get as really miserable as this state: >> >> The idea shared among many contemporary nihilists is that there is >> something inherent to the human condition that prevents meaning from >> arising, even granting that God exists. For instance, some nihilists make >> the Schopenhauerian claim that our lives lack meaning because we are >> invariably dissatisfied; either we have not yet obtained what we seek, or >> we have obtained it and are bored >> >> I can't read stuff like this without imaging how far we can slide with it >> - like we did as kids slicking up an ice patch of the footpath. Have we >> forgotten how to have a laugh when we get into the slide? >> >> On Monday, 15 December 2014 11:28:48 UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>> >>> LoL >>> BS : Bull Shitter >>> MS : Master Shitter >>> PHD : Piled Higher & Deeper >>> >>> The true meaning of universal degree systems. >>> >>> Not oddly I do agree with you. It seems our society is built literally >>> on bullshit. Unfortunately our society chooses to feed upon the soft lie of >>> bullshit rather thsn face the simple truth. There always be a few >>> enlightened individuals. There has always been teachers of truth and those >>> false teachers (possible examples: politicians ~ religious leaders ~ greedy >>> souls) that feed on gullible innocent souls who in their need to survive >>> create their own fertilizer. >>> >>> Do not murder, rape, enslave or harm others >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 11:56 AM >>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Taurascatics >>> >>> The professor wrote a BS book on BS. No secrets revealed, only the >>> promise they were to be, which is BS. >>> >>> On Monday, December 15, 2014 6:24:42 AM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>> >>>> Silence lad >>>> STOP! Giving away secrets >>>> BS, MS, & PHD >>>> >>>> Do not murder, rape, enslave or harm others >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 7:16 AM >>>> Subject: Mind's Eye Taurascatics >>>> >>>> “The study of bullshit should occupy an important place alongside >>>> rhetoric because taurascatics is the antistrophe of rhetorical theory, for >>>> both are concerned with the politics of semiotic interaction, and with the >>>> frameworks within which that interaction will be produced, interpreted, >>>> and >>>> judged.” (Professor Fredal, Ohio State) >>>> The frame includes: : >>>> • The Bullshitter (the originator of the BS) >>>> • The Bullshit, (the content), and >>>> • The Bullshitee (the recipient). >>>> Examples of the kind of BS one might encounter on a daily basis : e.g. >>>> • “Collateral damage” for civilians accidentally killed in military >>>> actions. >>>> • “Rightsizing” for firing people, and >>>> • “Alternative interrogation techniques” for torture. >>>> >>>> One of the most salient features of our culture is that there is so >>>> much bullshit. Everyone knows this. Each of us contributes his share. But >>>> we tend to take the situation for granted. Most people are rather >>>> confident >>>> of their ability to recognize bullshit and to avoid being taken in by it. >>>> So the phenomenon has not aroused much deliberate concern, or attracted >>>> much sustained inquiry. In consequence, we have no clear understanding of >>>> what bullshit is, why there is so much of it, or what functions it serves. >>>> (Harry Frankfurt) >>>> >>>> My opinion is one has to undertake the labours of Hercules to clear >>>> space to say anything. If Facilitator calls his next sculpture 'The >>>> Taurascat' and it looks like me I won't sue if I can use a photograph on >>>> the cover of my next book. It will be indistinguishable from other >>>> marketing and he could always say I put him up to it. There might be some >>>> publicity from one called 'Facilitatory Taurascatics' or one in silver >>>> from Allan. >>>> >>>> Seasons greetings everyone. Remember, the grass is greener on the >>>> other side because of cow pats. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> -- >>> >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
