This is the current nostalgic anti religious control fraud thing with the common antsy donkeys nodding their heads going on in Berlin these days: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Knf72HY41w4 It should be of no concern to you and therefore qualifies for no discussion.
Am Mittwoch, 7. Januar 2015 03:11:19 UTC+1 schrieb archytas: > > What I'm trying to find is a way to articulate the way this small > poltico-maths lot prevent us developing much in this film about Martin > Heidegger - > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9nEhrt5X1I - it's long and I may just > be talking to an audience of one. I'm not too concerned on this as I do a > lot of it in 'pre-production'. > > I don't see science as the problem, but rather the way some dreadful > "religious control fraud" prevents us having a more expressive world the > film brings out - for me a lack of collective authenticity and spontaneous > ability. One has to say the film has artificial intelligence wrong - a > world with robots doing robotic work in a sensible economics of sharing > would surely be better than the current one forcing such on people to avoid > poverty (which those doing scut work remain in). > > Heidegger is problematic, not least because he was a Nazi at some point. > I can think of creative processes as stochastic, but hardly want to reduce > Facilitator to a set of programmable rules. The film and its attitudes can > seen pretentiously arty and middle class - also a problem with the more > left-wing Critical Theory. I'm inclined to think current > politico-economics deprives us all of a world that allows technology to be > used to give us the world of this film - meaning itself. > > I know where to go to discuss these matters. The silence in our > insanestream and people unable to voice what is happening to them concerns > me. > > > On Tuesday, January 6, 2015 2:20:27 PM UTC, archytas wrote: >> >> Geoff Davies wrote a book some time ago called 'Sack the Economists: and >> disband their departments'. You can get the first pages on Amazon and he >> has a blog. The title more or less says it all. I'm concerned about >> people who do apparently complex maths in non-scientific areas - >> economists, bankers, accountants, government statisticians - deep down I >> see them decorating lamp-posts along with politicians, though I'm not >> really that kind of chap (and once taught university economics and might >> not like my own medicine). >> >> What role do you think these kind of people play in your life? >> >> The first economist I met was my elder brother. He was doing the stuff >> at college, so I started in the 6th Form. I couldn't understand a word and >> by today's standards the teacher was a paedophile, always flirting with the >> girls. He ran off with one of them at Xmas and I changed to chemistry. I >> don't remember meeting any as an undergraduate, or in work life as a >> detective, shipyard manager and various odd-jobs. I met a lot as a >> business school lecturer and in various regional projects I took on. I >> learned the stuff teaching it due to staff shortages, never getting any >> formal training. None of what I learned had much to do with my experience >> in 'real jobs' or getting anything done and I soon realised teaching it was >> about getting students to do sums within very restricted conventions with >> money (capital) as a neutral given. Essentially, it was teaching people to >> play with spreadsheets and the brighter ones to write their own. As in >> science one could vary variables chosen as important, without fearing any >> slap in the mouth with the wet fish of reality spoiling the argument. >> These days there is a lot of talk about heterodox economics, but frankly >> nearly all of this has been around for a century and all really said is >> that the bankers, governments and their statisticians, accountants and >> economists are either crooks or their running dogs and lackeys. I believe >> this more or less true. >> >> Argument is rendered more or less impossible against this Inquisition and >> the extended control fraud. Reality is the only place to get a decent meal >> and most areas are subject to the control fraud. There is almost no point >> in trying to discuss what is going on as the real arguments are >> multi-faceted and people quickly demonstrate ignorance and even the >> academic system is dominated by an Idol of the Theatre. People lack the >> skills to represent what is going on - it's a bit like Tony being stuck >> with a hundred art-incompetents like me and expected to produce 90 Picassos >> - or Molly trying to do some self-development with ten of me carping of the >> self as a Snark (actually this wouldn't happen as I'm something of a >> believer in Moll). Allan would have to keep a close eye on the >> silversmithing material, lest I did an 'artistic deal' with the >> Bunker-Hunts, leaving the class with paper exchange traded funds to bash >> with the little hammers, perhaps themselves disappeared into an endless >> rehypothecation scheme ensuring no one knew exactly where they were. >> >> The biggest effect on me is not to be able to teach free at point of need >> in universities, and only as part of a system loading debt that cannot be >> repaid on students. All the figures show the certificates universities >> issue are a burden on all except the already rich. Politics is entirely >> useless as all vying for power are stuck with the neo-liberal agenda and >> the neo-classical spreadsheet that denies private debt matters (this is an >> accounting dodge). I believe our control by this 'political maths' is >> making us ill, preventing the development of secure lives and business >> models that could give us green-quality-of-life solutions, television, art >> and cultural events we might enjoy ... we could all probably write the >> book. Yet, in fact, nearly everyone is very quiet. There is fairly good >> evidence very few of us believe these politico-mathematical freaks and even >> that 80% of us just think they lie to us. >> >> Another crash is coming and this time we may find no way to maintain >> business as usual. We don't seem to care. Indeed, I find myself slipping >> into selfish mood or at least self-protective mode in the lack of >> solidarity. I begin to see the figures in our newsrooms as arthropod >> aliens oozing pheromones that enslave us, though Tony will say I have been >> getting too close to my ants ... >> > -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
