In England they have soccer players doing that dance after scoring goals. The events in Paris have rather overtaken 'no discussion'. We are being intercoursed with quantitative easing and keeping as quiet as any good abuse victims waiting for an inquiry by the abusing Establishment. Good provocative video Gabbs - what might come our way for publishing? I can't see the Robot League being so insensitive to humour as to go looking for you. I think you catch the drift from Kierkegaard on cultural silence and that bit in 'Gone With the Wind' - 'frankly my dear, I don't give a damn'. Before seeing the film I thought it was about old people with bowel problems. Now I know it was and lost artistic integrity because they used pretty actors to sex it up like a war dossier. There is no discussion, precisely right.
We could all watch Dodson's excellent 12 minute series - example here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4baePsCT_E Plenty to discuss without reinventing the square wheels of ignorance. Perhaps we should see ourselves as a book club of non-readers? Can I borrow your robots as an audience? The ants are saying they have lost interest unless I stop feeding them, a bit like students only turning up on threats not to let them have the very expensive paper in a ribbon that was the real inspiration. My classes were packed only because I was less oppressive than the alternative. I have a gig at the Friends' Meeting House tomorrow. Might play your video at the beginning as people settle in and perhaps more would come if I could offer one of your card readings. They insist I shake hands like a Vicar at the end of these things, though may be turning up because Sue let's the dogs loose for petting sessions. Some of my ants don't believe my stories about the fungal threat, believing instead that a dark German lady wills their fate at lunar noon and caricature pictures of their much loved queen. Talking sense with ants can feel like talking to oneself within the electric fence of an embraced paradox. Love your sense of humour and recognition of the dark nature of the blue eye. Don't take this a a compliment - I know they make you antsy.. On Wednesday, January 7, 2015 1:59:09 PM UTC, Gabby wrote: > > This is the current nostalgic anti religious control fraud thing with the > common antsy donkeys nodding their heads going on in Berlin these days: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Knf72HY41w4 > It should be of no concern to you and therefore qualifies for no > discussion. > > Am Mittwoch, 7. Januar 2015 03:11:19 UTC+1 schrieb archytas: >> >> What I'm trying to find is a way to articulate the way this small >> poltico-maths lot prevent us developing much in this film about Martin >> Heidegger - >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9nEhrt5X1I - it's long and I may just >> be talking to an audience of one. I'm not too concerned on this as I do a >> lot of it in 'pre-production'. >> >> I don't see science as the problem, but rather the way some dreadful >> "religious control fraud" prevents us having a more expressive world the >> film brings out - for me a lack of collective authenticity and spontaneous >> ability. One has to say the film has artificial intelligence wrong - a >> world with robots doing robotic work in a sensible economics of sharing >> would surely be better than the current one forcing such on people to avoid >> poverty (which those doing scut work remain in). >> >> Heidegger is problematic, not least because he was a Nazi at some point. >> I can think of creative processes as stochastic, but hardly want to reduce >> Facilitator to a set of programmable rules. The film and its attitudes can >> seen pretentiously arty and middle class - also a problem with the more >> left-wing Critical Theory. I'm inclined to think current >> politico-economics deprives us all of a world that allows technology to be >> used to give us the world of this film - meaning itself. >> >> I know where to go to discuss these matters. The silence in our >> insanestream and people unable to voice what is happening to them concerns >> me. >> >> >> On Tuesday, January 6, 2015 2:20:27 PM UTC, archytas wrote: >>> >>> Geoff Davies wrote a book some time ago called 'Sack the Economists: and >>> disband their departments'. You can get the first pages on Amazon and he >>> has a blog. The title more or less says it all. I'm concerned about >>> people who do apparently complex maths in non-scientific areas - >>> economists, bankers, accountants, government statisticians - deep down I >>> see them decorating lamp-posts along with politicians, though I'm not >>> really that kind of chap (and once taught university economics and might >>> not like my own medicine). >>> >>> What role do you think these kind of people play in your life? >>> >>> The first economist I met was my elder brother. He was doing the stuff >>> at college, so I started in the 6th Form. I couldn't understand a word and >>> by today's standards the teacher was a paedophile, always flirting with the >>> girls. He ran off with one of them at Xmas and I changed to chemistry. I >>> don't remember meeting any as an undergraduate, or in work life as a >>> detective, shipyard manager and various odd-jobs. I met a lot as a >>> business school lecturer and in various regional projects I took on. I >>> learned the stuff teaching it due to staff shortages, never getting any >>> formal training. None of what I learned had much to do with my experience >>> in 'real jobs' or getting anything done and I soon realised teaching it was >>> about getting students to do sums within very restricted conventions with >>> money (capital) as a neutral given. Essentially, it was teaching people to >>> play with spreadsheets and the brighter ones to write their own. As in >>> science one could vary variables chosen as important, without fearing any >>> slap in the mouth with the wet fish of reality spoiling the argument. >>> These days there is a lot of talk about heterodox economics, but frankly >>> nearly all of this has been around for a century and all really said is >>> that the bankers, governments and their statisticians, accountants and >>> economists are either crooks or their running dogs and lackeys. I believe >>> this more or less true. >>> >>> Argument is rendered more or less impossible against this Inquisition >>> and the extended control fraud. Reality is the only place to get a decent >>> meal and most areas are subject to the control fraud. There is almost no >>> point in trying to discuss what is going on as the real arguments are >>> multi-faceted and people quickly demonstrate ignorance and even the >>> academic system is dominated by an Idol of the Theatre. People lack the >>> skills to represent what is going on - it's a bit like Tony being stuck >>> with a hundred art-incompetents like me and expected to produce 90 Picassos >>> - or Molly trying to do some self-development with ten of me carping of the >>> self as a Snark (actually this wouldn't happen as I'm something of a >>> believer in Moll). Allan would have to keep a close eye on the >>> silversmithing material, lest I did an 'artistic deal' with the >>> Bunker-Hunts, leaving the class with paper exchange traded funds to bash >>> with the little hammers, perhaps themselves disappeared into an endless >>> rehypothecation scheme ensuring no one knew exactly where they were. >>> >>> The biggest effect on me is not to be able to teach free at point of >>> need in universities, and only as part of a system loading debt that cannot >>> be repaid on students. All the figures show the certificates universities >>> issue are a burden on all except the already rich. Politics is entirely >>> useless as all vying for power are stuck with the neo-liberal agenda and >>> the neo-classical spreadsheet that denies private debt matters (this is an >>> accounting dodge). I believe our control by this 'political maths' is >>> making us ill, preventing the development of secure lives and business >>> models that could give us green-quality-of-life solutions, television, art >>> and cultural events we might enjoy ... we could all probably write the >>> book. Yet, in fact, nearly everyone is very quiet. There is fairly good >>> evidence very few of us believe these politico-mathematical freaks and even >>> that 80% of us just think they lie to us. >>> >>> Another crash is coming and this time we may find no way to maintain >>> business as usual. We don't seem to care. Indeed, I find myself slipping >>> into selfish mood or at least self-protective mode in the lack of >>> solidarity. I begin to see the figures in our newsrooms as arthropod >>> aliens oozing pheromones that enslave us, though Tony will say I have been >>> getting too close to my ants ... >>> >> -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
