The internet could be a means of production and personal control/influence we don't have now. There are a few developments worth having (a lot behind the scenes in hardware infrastructure development) - yet the big changes are still to come. More home-based schooling is an example or even a retail-free life for those like me that hate it all and would like to pre-order from manufacturers. Indeed, we could see it replace international finance and resource allocation.
On Friday, February 13, 2015 at 5:20:12 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: > > I know its crazy ,, reality is companies are paying for page prominence. > Personally I ignore it. Oddly I had a dislike for YouTube, but > realitively recently it has become of interest. It is amazing what people > put online. Actually some very good explainations. > > تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين > Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others > > -----Original Message----- > From: archytas <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 5:58 PM > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be? > > The question may be how we could collate the non-dross. > > On Friday, February 13, 2015 at 4:57:31 PM UTC, archytas wrote: >> >> There are a few gems in the dross. I start something like Tony's link >> with the question 'does advertising affect you'. The answer is almost >> always no. Many would not get the vimeo. The obvious next question is why >> so much is spent on advertising, followed by one on where all the idiots >> that are influenced by it are. >> >> Not my sort of big data, but I know what Tony means. >> >> On Friday, February 13, 2015 at 4:42:31 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>> >>> LOL the dress has created modern day zombies.. Mindlessly surfing the >>> internet because they can not think for themselves. >>> >>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 5:35 PM >>> Subject: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be? >>> >>> There are alternatives to things like Netflix (Amazon Prime is clearly >>> just a clone) - like Indieflix, but this just plays cheaper to produce >>> dross - though in principle is interesting. Discussion groups have the >>> problem there is nothing to idly watch and sort of demand input. We are so >>> used to watching copies of copied material, there seems little alternative >>> content in us to present, and interestingly little skill in its >>> representation. I think the net is short of commercial alternatives that >>> aren't lowest common denominator. >>> >>> On Friday, February 13, 2015 at 2:41:22 PM UTC, archytas wrote: >>>> >>>> Most of my use of the internet concerns researching pretty dire >>>> academic papers and books through still largely restricted access. It's >>>> much cheaper than buying the stuff directly, particularly as 99% of what >>>> shows up is dross. I've played with the rest to find out what is there. >>>> Search is a big plus compared with rooting through stuff in a university >>>> library. Now, much google search just turns up dross I don't want. >>>> >>>> In an academic project we are interested in what is on the net >>>> generally - in terms of how much of general consciousness this represents. >>>> Rational discussion is a tiny part of what is on the net. Techies spend >>>> a >>>> lot of time looking for cut and paste code and ways we might automate this >>>> sweep. There is a background idea that we are looking for new ways to do >>>> 'expert knowledge' on the metaphor of people not being able to build cars >>>> but able to drive them with a bit of training. My own bad is 'big data' >>>> as >>>> a new language that would bring a different speed to human discourse and >>>> potentially control of the means of production. >>>> >>>> Lately, I'm interested in the lack of a business model for anything >>>> except trash. I can join a site where a couple of young women will send >>>> me >>>> off-the-peg clothes on approval to ensure my sartorial elegance, though >>>> don't. There are plenty of interesting Moochs, but I don't have time. I >>>> bank n line and have the joy of never seeing a bank clerk. Shopping can be >>>> done in the same manner as shops don't interest me at all. My insurance >>>> renewals are always 30% higher than I can get the same cover for via one >>>> of >>>> the broker sites on the day. >>>> >>>> I do electronic teaching. So I'm no longer racked by whatever diseases >>>> undergraduate classes try to kill me with. And I never see a boss or have >>>> to attend a useless staff meeting, or have my classes flooded as the >>>> students discover I'm an easier touch and tell jokes. The work is more or >>>> less pre-prepared and my timetable is not changed at ridiculous short >>>> notice and I don't have to take time to teach kids from other classes, at >>>> my door because they can't get anywhere with the guy supposed to help. >>>> >>>> I can watch television and films through illegal sites, but would >>>> really prefer to pay for channels where I could select from much wider >>>> material without packaging. The current business model encourages loads >>>> of >>>> channels with the same (usually old) dross, or stuff like Netflix with >>>> only >>>> 1% I'd want to see and don't want to pay to support. Sports channels >>>> require me to pay for soccer I don't want. Tony has done more for me in a >>>> few minutes (neglecting his production time) than Sky Arts bores ever >>>> could. We lack a business model of actual choice. With one, insanestream >>>> news and other entertainment, the crap science pornography of the BBC, >>>> Discovery and so on, would be things of my past. In chronic business >>>> terms, I wonder how they do market segmentation at all. I am sick of Blue >>>> Peter (kids programme here) presentation. >>>> >>>> One can imagine plenty of people like the best through this group >>>> wanting something very different and something large enough not to be a >>>> part of when time presses and so on. Uber, properly supervised against >>>> racist drivers, could bring very radical change - I meet few who can >>>> explain why - though we have not yet worked out that technology could >>>> massively reduce what we currently call work and planet burning. In the >>>> meantime we can't even set up a discussion group without Gabby (and >>>> everyone really) worrying on the curtain shades. Give us a twirl then >>>> girl, like one of those doxies Bruce Forsythe used to encourage. I can >>>> see >>>> something of a business model, starting with Chris' 'attractors'. The >>>> eventual key is content for a sophisticated audience - remembering very >>>> few >>>> people do education without any kind of accreditation pay-off and the >>>> means >>>> to pay for organisation does not move easily from free. Current >>>> strategies >>>> are advertising and the begging bowl. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
