Smashing old car batteries to recover the lead was a local delicacy here. 
 The rubber aprons they issued stopped at the knees, so you could always 
tell who was working there from the trouser rot.

On Wednesday, March 4, 2015 at 8:35:42 AM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
>
> I understand the easy job concept..  there were more jobs and easy to come 
> by.. the yuckier the job the easier to get..  most of the time..
> Times have changed radically..
>
> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: archytas <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Wed, 04 Mar 2015 8:22 AM
> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Ten Commandments For Modern Americans
>
> It was easy ti get jobs when I was a kid pol,  As my mates say, I wasn't 
> good at lots of things,  The pet food trade is disgusting, including stuff 
> like dead pets and rebranding meat unfit for human consumption back into 
> the human food chain.  It used to be easier to get out more than it is now, 
> work-wise, with various factories, pubs and shops with vacancy signs in a 
> general labour shortage.  Kids were at work at 15.  Most people my age have 
> had more jobs than me.   
>
> On Tuesday, March 3, 2015 at 8:19:42 PM UTC, pol.science kid wrote:
>>
>> Is there any job you haven't done?; p ... I am deeply suspicious of pet 
>> food. Especially cos it's so expensive...
>> On Mar 3, 2015 6:07 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> It has been going on for years..  sadly getting nowhere. 
>>> Mostly attention seeking blow hards.. that is not saying what they have 
>>> to say is wrong because it is correct..  there in lies the problem  ..  
>>> years ago the air force wanted convert  the sir base into a refueling 
>>> station. That requires a couple hearings mandated by law. The first hearing 
>>> was interesting several hundred lip flappers having their say.. the second 
>>> hear actually turned our much more interesting..  when the hearing asked 
>>> for those objecting i was the only one who raised their hand
>>> Turned out the bases head if security and i went to the same church. 
>>> Ended up being treated to dinner and a long conversation.. turns out we all 
>>> agreed that if citizens don't object the military would take over..  was a 
>>> very enjoyable evening.
>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: archytas <[email protected]>
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Sent: Tue, 03 Mar 2015 12:29 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Ten Commandments For Modern Americans
>>>
>>> The writer is one of a set of US lefties Allan.  The best of them is a 
>>> guy called Steve Fraser.  Thought you should know more people are up to sig 
>>> line writing somewhat more puffed up than yours.
>>>
>>> Hard to describe our house a veggie with two dogs and a cat, but we 
>>> don't eat much meat.  Not really much use as commandments are they?
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 3, 2015 at 9:42:24 AM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Can you write down verbatim what was said.. or is the writer pointing 
>>>> fingers at everyone else?
>>>> I am not saying what is said is wrong..  it is mostly lip flapping. 
>>>> Pointing mostly at government activities..  there is one small flaw there  
>>>> he is the government becoming guilty as he charges others..
>>>> For got his lip flapping already
>>>>
>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]>
>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>> Sent: Tue, 03 Mar 2015 6:22 AM
>>>> Subject: Mind's Eye Ten Commandments For Modern Americans
>>>>
>>>> *1. Thou shalt not torture:* Torture of every horrific sort in these 
>>>> years seems to have beenremarkably ineffective 
>>>> <http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/cia-torture-report/senate-report-finds-cia-interrogation-tactics-were-ineffective-n264621>
>>>>  in 
>>>> producing useful information for the state.  Even if it were proved
>>>> effective 
>>>> <http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/22/opinion/sunday/did-the-torture-report-give-the-cia-a-bum-rap.html>
>>>>  in 
>>>> breaking up al-Qaeda plots, however, it would still have been both a 
>>>> desperately illegal (if unpunished 
>>>> <http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/31/us/holder-rules-out-prosecutions-in-cia-interrogations.html>)
>>>>  
>>>> act and a foreign policy disaster of the first order.
>>>>
>>>> *2. Thou shalt not send drones to assassinate anyone, American or not:* 
>>>> The 
>>>> ongoing U.S. drone assassination campaigns 
>>>> <http://www.tomdispatch.com/blog/175936/tomgram%3A_engelhardt,_the_national_security_state_%22works,%22_even_if_nothing_it_does_works/>,
>>>>  
>>>> while killing individual terrorists, have driven significant numbers of 
>>>> people in the backlands of the planet into the arms of terror outfits and 
>>>> so only increased their size and appeal. Without a doubt, such drone 
>>>> strikes represent a global war of, not on, terror. In the process, they 
>>>> have turned the president into our assassin-in-chief 
>>>> <http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175551/> and us into an assassin 
>>>> nation.
>>>>
>>>> *3. Thou shalt not invade another country:* D'oh!
>>>>
>>>> *4. Thou shalt not occupy another country:* By the way, how did that 
>>>> work out the last two times the U.S. tried it?
>>>>
>>>> *5. Thou shalt not upgrade thy nuclear arsenal:* The U.S. has now 
>>>> committed itself to atrillion-dollar 
>>>> <http://thediplomat.com/2014/01/us-to-spend-1-trillion-on-nukes/>, 
>>>> decades-long upgrade of its vast arsenal.  If any significant portion of 
>>>> it 
>>>> were ever used, it would end human life as we know it on this planet and 
>>>> so 
>>>> should be considered a singular prospective crime against humanity. After 
>>>> years in which the only American nuclear focus was on a country -- Iran -- 
>>>> with no nuclear weapons, that this has happened without serious debate 
>>>> <http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175933/tomgram%3A_james_carroll,_the_pentagon_as_president_obama%27s_great_white_whale/>
>>>>  or 
>>>> discussion is in itself criminal.
>>>>
>>>> *6.* *Thou shalt not intercept the communications of thy citizens or 
>>>> others all over the world or pursue the elaboration of a global 
>>>> surveillance state based on criminal acts*: There seems to be no place 
>>>> <https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/02/19/great-sim-heist/> the 
>>>> NSA has been unwilling to break into in order to surveil the planet.  For 
>>>> unimaginable 
>>>> reams <http://www.wired.com/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/all/> of 
>>>> information that have seemingly been of next to no 
>>>> <http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175901/tomgram%3A_engelhardt,_entering_the_intelligence_labyrinth/>
>>>>  actual 
>>>> use, the NSA and the national security state have essentially outlawed 
>>>> privacy and cracked open various amendments to the Constitution.  No 
>>>> information is worth such a price.
>>>>
>>>> *7. Thou shalt not be free of punishment for crimes of state:* In 
>>>> these years of genuine criminality, official Washington has become a 
>>>> crime-free 
>>>> zone 
>>>> <http://www.tomdispatch.com/blog/175833/tomgram%3A_engelhardt,_knowledge_is_crime/>.
>>>>   
>>>> No matter the seriousness of the act, none -- not one committed in the 
>>>> name 
>>>> of the state in the post-9/11 era, no matter how heinous -- has been 
>>>> brought into a courtroom.
>>>>
>>>> *8. Thou shalt not use a massive system of secret classification to 
>>>> deprive Americans of all real knowledge of acts of state:* In 2011, 
>>>> the U.S. classified 92 million documents 
>>>> <http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175570/tomgram%3A_engelhardt,_the_national_security_complex_and_you/>
>>>>  and 
>>>> the shroud of secrecy over the business of the “people’s” government has 
>>>> only grown worse in the years since.  Increasingly, for our own “safety” 
>>>> we 
>>>> are only supposed to know what the government prefers us to know.  This 
>>>> represents, of course, a crime against democracy.
>>>>
>>>> *9. Thou shalt not act punitively toward those who want to let 
>>>> Americans in on what the national security state is doing in their name:*
>>>>  The fierce 
>>>> <https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/02/18/destroyed-by-the-espionage-act/>
>>>>  and draconian 
>>>> <http://www.tomdispatch.com/blog/175500/tomgram%3A_peter_van_buren,_in_washington,_fear_the_silence,_not_the_noise/>
>>>>  campaign 
>>>> the Obama administration has launched against leakers and whistleblowers 
>>>> is 
>>>> unprecedented in our history.  It is a growing challenge 
>>>> <http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175856/tomgram%3A_peter_van_buren,_rip,_the_bill_of_rights/>
>>>>  to 
>>>> freedom of the press and to the citizen’s right to know.
>>>>
>>>> *10. Thou shalt not infringe on the rights of the citizenry to life, 
>>>> liberty, and the pursuit of happiness:* Need I even explain?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tom Englehart
>>>>
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