You're wrong on this Allan, in the technical sense. Of course, you are also right that corruption remains a big problem. RP has the right idea on what our intent should be and we can't make Terminators (though we can make bullets that target track). We have machines making sell and buy orders and searching for 'sign' in world text etc.
But the question is more about our fears on this matter - do they come from Terminator, some deep place in which we know we are pathetically irrational, selfish and from which we would be shown up by a couple of decent adding machines (this was Frank Soddy's statement in the 1920's on banking). Are we just dead scared of change that involves getting rid of the tyrants? There are teachers and academics who believe that if only the unwashed paid attention and learned the theory, praxis (good practice) would follow. This is actually contemptible nonsense when one looks at teaching material and the spread of human nature. We can 'train' machines and build in learning capacity. We could make an honest money system now. Would it not be better to program machines rather than humans - leaving us to develop differently? People have been scared of machines before - think Luddite (who had a point). The coming machines do not threaten those of us on the end of a spade handle, but the elite. What scares us about this? On Monday, March 9, 2015 at 9:15:52 AM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: > > Machines can do a lot of things have excellent logic and can become very > beneficial as they already are. > There is several problems you can program basic morality even on t binary > level .. the problem is is that basic morality is corruptible even on the > binary level, all you have to do is reprogram it. > > تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين > Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others > > -----Original Message----- > From: RP Singh <[email protected]> > To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> > Sent: Mon, 09 Mar 2015 9:53 AM > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Rule By Machine > > If we put in more effort on research in the field of biology, psychology, > sociology and education, I am certain we will raise up a generation which > will be in control of their libidinal-violent nature, and make all > decisions with coolness of heart and mind resulting in logical endeavor. > Let machines remain a tool in our hands and not put forward as the driver > of our destinies, without a clear cut understanding of the human potential > we would not be able to design machines which being intelligent might still > be under our control. If we realize our potential and our nature we would > be better than intelligent machines, and if we take this step of giving > ourselves in the hands of machines with the little knowledge of our biology > and psychology that we have we would lose our battle for supremacy in the > world of tomorrow. So let our focus be on the development of science of > the human nature and potential. > > On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 1:14 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Human leadership is corrupt. The history is clear. We form empires of >> violence. At the start of WW1, about 1911 with the Italian invasion of >> part of the declining Ottoman Empire, we had a population the planet could >> manage, new technologies that could have released us from work serfdom and >> the potential to grow green and surpass our libidinal-violent biology. >> Instead we went to war and have over-populated like a bacterial colony >> poisoning itself. This war to end all war led to another one, largely >> about exhausting the Wehrmacht on Soviet forces. I have no idea how these >> wars started, interesting given how much education I've had. The Americans >> won and everyone else lost, but Americans generally wanted no part of the >> stuff. Various fables on cause make no sense. Much can be said on this, >> yet we evade the fairly obvious reality that human society is generally >> dire. About 250,000 of the 400,000 inhabitants of the zenith of the >> Athenian democracy were slaves, and slaving was the major Black Sea >> industry from then until 1870. >> >> Machines could help us get over ourselves and establish a rational >> society. This would be a rebellion to remove the allocation class that >> owns nearly everything a monetary value can be put on. We would embody >> knowledge in the machines (we already do) and rely on their genuine >> rationality instead of our faux version, corrupted by our libidinal-violent >> biology. Most people are very scared of intelligent machines and rather >> like the idea humans are superior because we can remove their plugs. We >> worry they will destroy us in a world with 8,000 nuclear weapons in safe >> human hands that are not problematic. Genghis Khan killed about a third of >> his known world's population. >> >> Why do we hate machines so much? Do we fear their rationality shames >> us? We are all now chronically ignorant compared with extra-somatic >> databases. Maybe we fear control by machines operating in the interests of >> a small group or police state - yet this 'machine' is already in place as a >> socio-technical human endeavor as the allocation class in real power we >> can't vote out. We could change a lot if we weren't so naff about this. >> Anyone here even think about it? >> >> In terms of data, what we chatter about, changes as data if we are not >> actually interested in large-scale human change. >> >> -- >> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> ""Minds Eye"" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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