AI goes back to syntactic models going back to the Indian linguist Panini 
(c. 350 B.C.)

On Monday, March 9, 2015 at 8:53:54 AM UTC, RP Singh wrote:
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> If we put in more effort on research in the field of biology, psychology, 
> sociology and education, I am certain we will raise up a generation which 
> will be in control of their libidinal-violent nature, and make all 
> decisions with coolness of heart and mind resulting in logical endeavor. 
> Let machines remain a tool in our hands and not put forward as the driver 
> of our destinies, without a clear cut understanding of the human potential 
> we would not be able to design machines which being intelligent might still 
> be under our control. If we realize our potential and our nature we would 
> be better than intelligent machines, and if we take this step of giving 
> ourselves in the hands of machines with the little knowledge of our biology 
> and psychology that we have we would lose our battle for supremacy in the 
> world of tomorrow.  So let our focus be on the development of science of 
> the human nature and potential.
>
> On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 1:14 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> Human leadership is corrupt.  The history is clear.  We form empires of 
>> violence.  At the start of WW1, about 1911 with the Italian invasion of 
>> part of the declining Ottoman Empire, we had a population the planet could 
>> manage, new technologies that could have released us from work serfdom and 
>> the potential to grow green and surpass our libidinal-violent biology.  
>> Instead we went to war and have over-populated like a bacterial colony 
>> poisoning itself.  This war to end all war led to another one, largely 
>> about exhausting the Wehrmacht on Soviet forces.  I have no idea how these 
>> wars started, interesting given how much education I've had.  The Americans 
>> won and everyone else lost, but Americans generally wanted no part of the 
>> stuff.  Various fables on cause make no sense.  Much can be said on this, 
>> yet we evade the fairly obvious reality that human society is generally 
>> dire.  About 250,000 of the 400,000 inhabitants of the zenith of the 
>> Athenian democracy were slaves, and slaving was the major Black Sea 
>> industry from then until 1870.
>>
>> Machines could help us get over ourselves and establish a rational 
>> society.  This would be a rebellion to remove the allocation class that 
>> owns nearly everything a monetary value can be put on.  We would embody 
>> knowledge in the machines (we already do) and rely on their genuine 
>> rationality instead of our faux version, corrupted by our libidinal-violent 
>> biology. Most people are very scared of intelligent machines and rather 
>> like the idea humans are superior because we can remove their plugs.  We 
>> worry they will destroy us in a world with 8,000 nuclear weapons in safe 
>> human hands that are not problematic.  Genghis Khan killed about a third of 
>> his known world's population.
>>
>> Why do we hate machines so much?  Do we fear their rationality shames 
>> us?  We are all now chronically ignorant compared with extra-somatic 
>> databases.  Maybe we fear control by machines operating in the interests of 
>> a small group or police state - yet this 'machine' is already in place as a 
>> socio-technical human endeavor as the allocation class in real power we 
>> can't vote out.  We could change a lot if we weren't so naff about this.  
>> Anyone here even think about it?
>>
>> In terms of data, what we chatter about, changes as data if we are not 
>> actually interested in large-scale human change. 
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