We actually know something of the embodiment flow. We might consider more of that in the morning,
On Saturday, March 14, 2015 at 9:48:35 PM UTC, archytas wrote: > > The wheel really comes off if you tinker with a blackhole in the wrong > way. > > On Saturday, March 14, 2015 at 9:11:36 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >> >> Whew.. glad someone does.. with out the wheel it becomes difficult to >> get the world to go round. >> >> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: archytas <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Sat, 14 Mar 2015 10:07 PM >> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Embodied Imagination >> >> I'm good with stub axles. >> >> On Saturday, March 14, 2015 at 8:52:58 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >> >> No I prefer to make my own sausage much taster . Right now i am having >> difficulty collapsing the black hole in the center of our galaxy so that I >> will understand how to remove the stub axel from the wheel maybe it is >> easier to comprehend within the reality dimension from which we originated. >> Or the active imaginations of common sleep reality.. >> >> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: archytas <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Sat, 14 Mar 2015 9:42 PM >> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Embodied Imagination >> >> Preferably not a Frankfurter. >> >> On Saturday, March 14, 2015 at 8:29:22 PM UTC, archytas wrote: >> >> If it was Biggly Banger, maybe we all come from the same sausage? >> >> On Saturday, March 14, 2015 at 8:13:56 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >> >> I like fire works as long as thee is no need to explain or what makes >> them go bang.. >> >> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: archytas <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Sat, 14 Mar 2015 9:02 PM >> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Embodied Imagination >> >> Nah! You were always around as I remember! In constructor theory, the >> term 'in the beginning' is one we try to be sceptical of. Biggly Bang is >> looking more and more like a symbol like infinity.I prefer a 'breaking >> containment' theory, a bit like Molly's. Magic has long has such too. >> >> On Saturday, March 14, 2015 at 7:44:57 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >> >> According to christian theology in the beginning was God and the word >> was with in God. The Word begat the universe.. >> >> What can i say except the Total Presence has a highly active >> imagination.. long before I came into existence.. >> >> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: archytas <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Sat, 14 Mar 2015 8:38 PM >> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Embodied Imagination >> >> How anything is made of nothing certainly exercises the imagination - >> maybe we have to stop thinking about creation as a necessary part if this? >> >> On Saturday, March 14, 2015 at 7:21:54 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >> >> To try and understand the presents you have to use your imagination to >> get ideas to make sense.. an example might me trying understand how >> everything is made from the essence of the Presence and separate at the >> same time if i can visualize the Presence being our solar system.. i then >> can imagine each planet being totally separate and at the same time total >> dependent on solar system to exist. >> >> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Molly <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Sat, 14 Mar 2015 5:10 PM >> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Embodied Imagination >> >> Your last sentence is a great one, Allan. How is your imagination used in >> what you describe there? >> >> On Saturday, March 14, 2015 at 12:02:55 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote: >> >> He sounds like a lot of people I have listen to over the years. More than >> a few have played it for the money angle, sadly.. for them my favorite >> bible verses are "He went and hung himself . . . Go do thou likewise." Let >> see the first part comes from Judas betrayal of Jesus and the second part >> from the story of the good sarmeratan (sp). There is a lot of crafting to >> reach the desired goal as i tried to demonstrate. >> >> There is a lot of guidance for spiritual development... but i have >> problem with the every verse rhetoric..especially in english.. the >> reasoning is the english language structure is based off the paragraph or >> the complete thought. Often times the sentence creates only a partial idea. >> To many people try to justify their bad behavior and actions as spiritual >> guidance.. >> >> There are good guidelines ten commandments. Jesus love your neighbor as >> yourself .. stories demonstrating examples of proper behavior but not >> written step by step instruction. Recently the perspective came forward >> that there is a highway to hell and a staircase to Heaven.. that just >> demonstrates the expected traffic flow. >> >> For me spirituality is developing and demonstrating the soul's >> connection with the Presence.. that connection determines your position >> within the mandala of the Totality of the Presence. Which is beyond my >> ability to comprehend. >> >> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Molly <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Sat, 14 Mar 2015 2:31 PM >> Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Embodied Imagination >> >> I think much of what is in the public domain is crafted instead of >> created, and crafted to sell, so crafted to gain audience action (that >> converts to money for someone.) That takes skill, but little imagination. >> >> I originally discovered Neville when I was exploring the notion of >> resurrection, and he wrote a lecture called Resurrection that is I think, >> his masterpiece and I have yet to understand. Like Hermann Hesse's Glass >> Bead Game, the culmination of his life's work. I read it over and over and >> it means something different each time and I understand it more over time. >> My husband and I both then read the body of his work from beginning to end >> and could understand better the development of his life's work. When >> Neville moved from his earlier message that "Your Faith is Your Fortune" to >> "Immortal Man" he began losing his audience, at least those who were >> looking for get rich quick schemes or mind over matter techniques. His work >> moves his audience from duality (The Law) manifest to awareness of our >> infinite being, where life manifests for us very differently (The Promise). >> "All that you behold, though it appears without, it is within in your own >> wonderful human imagination of which this world of mortality is but a >> shadow." >> >> The wonderful thing about Neville, I think, is that he puts out the >> notion that the Lord is our imagination. A bold notion that left him >> lecturing to the walls at the end of his career. Living in the world of >> Cesar, or mortality, or duality, (The Law) we are chasing the laws of cause >> and effect that govern us. Recognition is all that is required of immortal >> man for manifestation, or non-dual awareness (The Promise) and imagination >> is the instrument within us all that takes us there. Because Neville sees >> every bible verse as an instruction on using imagination for divine >> revelation, those that cannot grasp this are lost in the rhetoric and >> connotation of "religion." For him, it is about imagination, not religion. >> Because I agree with him wholeheartedly on this one point, I find his body >> of work palatable. >> >> All of the christian mystics that I've read see scripture as a diagram >> for living. Neville is distinctive because of his treatment of imagination. >> I recognize truth in this notion, because my own imagination creates and >> reduces to simplicity for my own divine breakthroughs and recognition. In >> sleep and waking life. >> >> I am certainly not advocating his work as the be all end all for a study >> or discussion on imagination. But this one idea of his may be critical to >> any intimate dialogue of the subject. >> >> >> >> On Friday, March 13, 2015 at 7:56:54 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote: >> >> I guess my questions generally relate to critical absorption rather than >> the passive. We have to know more about why so much in the public domain >> is so bland, copied,ice-cream, beer, pets - and what imagination this >> feeds. We might wonder where Habermas' communicative rationality >> (whatever) shows up - where an imaginative lifeworld exists. >> >> Much that many feel as imaginative is actually produced by a few simple >> rules. These can be embodied in machines, even to the point of narrative >> generation. What can we imagine imaginative in the next action flick? Was >> one war film made in 1943 and endlessly copied since? The mystics have had >> a long run and there is certainly a core. I wonder on potential free play, >> rather than institutionalized Utopia of imagination rules we embody in >> genre and machine, whether metal or internal-organic. >> >> >> On Friday, March 13, 2015 at 10:59:28 PM UTC, archytas wrote: >> >> It's more that I prefer what you say and demonstrate Molly. We have to >> hope in something simple, though it may emerge from complex work, perhaps >> the simplexity angle. The imagination, in many childhood studies, is >> connected with deception and, of course, in the wilderness. Otherwise, >> without nanoprobes we will never get Allan up to speed as a true heretic! >> Neville Goddard creates 'black boxes I don't need - they communicate quite >> well in a compelling logic but I'm left outside it. You don't do this and >> are more like Abbott, with his sense of humour. >> >> Thanks for the film spoiler Allan - I did try it for 5 minutes but felt >> it lacked imagination. I couldn't read Terry Pratchett or Harry Potter, >> even Lewis Carroll. Autistic people often lack the imagination we use in >> understanding others and perhaps the feelings to work back through. We >> don't all have to be singers from the same page. Religion can build >> socially approved epistemic authority, but needs to leave critical space. >> If we look outwards, much claimed as product of the imagination is dull >> copy. >> >> On Friday, March 13, 2015 at 9:39:11 PM UTC, Molly wrote: >> >> You don't like many of my links, that's OK, don't mind. Yoga, Vedanta and >> Kundalini, as mystical paths, all take feeling into the higher levels of >> consciousness. I don't think the practice of the path matters. We all have >> our own. I think that knowing the feeling, and returning through the >> feeling, is an important way to explore and return to the highest states. I >> think the highest consensus state may be simple and silent as Allan >> suggests, and I agree that it is how it feels to me also. >> >> On Friday, March 13, 2015 at 1:08:24 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote: >> >> I think Neville gets nearly everything wrong, proceeding by repeated >> assertions. He lacks a lot you have Molly. Tony and Rufus is instructive >> on who is imaging whom. >> >> On Friday, March 13, 2015 at 4:50:43 PM UTC, Molly wrote: >> >> A state of feeling as the spark of life's continuity is worthy of a lot >> of discussion and contemplation http://www.feelingisthesecret.org/ >> and Neville Goddard based his life's work on the notion that putting >> ourselves into a state of consciousness with feeling is the mechanism for >> the manifestation of reality. You will have to forgive, because he is also >> a Christian mystic, siting biblical quotes with the interpretation that >> they were clues to this secret. >> >> Not sure it was such a secret. Every mystical tradition says the same >> thing in some form. And science does seem to be catching up. I am ever in >> search of the original edition of Einstein's "The World As I See It" that >> was part of my university's rare book section and I could often be caught >> sitting in the isle reading it for inspiration. There are many subsequent >> editions, none as good. He was a brilliant intellect and spirit. >> >> On Friday, March 13, 2015 at 12:04:56 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote: >> >> The philosophy of an imagination looking outwards is fascinating, though >> relies on rather behaviourist tricks in some guises. Ludwig Fleck had some >> good stuff on what was out now being in, but whose is it questioning. It's >> interesting we had Feynman (who also loved his bee, wacky baccy and >> womanising), Waddington, Medawar, Horton, Soddy and many others while >> social constructivists told us we were 'heartless positivists'. The wrong >> ideas on science still pertain, I think conflated with heartless >> bureaucracy and bossy versions of religion. >> >> The 'state of feeling' is worthy of a lot of discussion and >> contemplation. >> >> On Friday, March 13, 2015 at 2:43:50 PM UTC, Molly wrote: >> >> I've saved the paper to read after my nap, Neil. Thanks. Scanning it made >> me realize how hooked I am on visual organization with header styles, >> bullet points and all the other nonsense. And how ridiculous I am for it. >> I'm also intrigued that the paper references Feynman who I love, mostly >> because he plays bongos and loves his orange juice: >> https://youtu.be/2Ks8gsK22PA <https://youtu.be/2Ks8gsK22PA> >> >> On Friday, March 13, 2015 at 10:11:15 AM UTC-4, archytas wrote: >> >> I have an internal movie screen, though its presence is intermittent, >> sometimes glorious and once traumatic. The way we process information has >> multiple logics, including the way memory is not accurate in order to let >> us put different jigsaw pictures together for multiple futures. The >> universe itself may be doing something like this, with some having time >> backwards. >> >> In a more simple way, imagination allows us to think things through, and >> personally I try what seems a reverse of Molly's embodiment - that of the >> embodiment of the human in machine. The idea is not to create androids, >> but rather imagination that can take us past current limitations and >> provide enhancement for human being. Imagination is one way to test in >> virtual reality and not get one's fingers burned. There are accounts of how >> experiencing a Van Gogh played a role in constructing the model of a >> galaxy. I even see similarities between Molly's treatment of non-believers >> and attempts to make the semantic web compatible in difference. >> >> Fascinated by kaleidoscopes as a kid. Fascinated later by how machines >> could repeat simple equations at vast speed and produce patterns (fractals, >> chaos) doing something so mundane, yet rather like all 7 billion of us >> putting different number values into 2x = y at the same time and linking up >> the pattern. Imagination has a lot to do with pattern spotting. If Molly >> looks to spiritual awakening, I tend to look for cosmic code. Her methods >> may be introspective, but what was more introspective than Socrates' claim >> the knowledge was already in there and could be found through the right >> questions? I look out, though suspect these distinctions lapse in good >> sense, compassion and non-jealous integration. >> >> Tony turns some plumbing pipes and a mask into a static 'creature' that >> 'moves' with perspective and focus. I let it ride in my mind - though I >> could just hate him for his talent (I don't). I more the kind of chap who >> would borrow any left over pipe to keep the washing machine running. >> >> Any looking out is always experienced in the internal-virtual. We think >> the universe is beige. Space may be fluidic, elastic (more Hooke than >> Newton), potentially catapult-like so we could evade the limitations of >> space-time by standing still in moving space. Imaging outwards was a >> William Blake theme - http://ttj.sagepub.com/content/25/4/495.full.pdf - >> dramatic unveiling of the inter- action of varied human personalities, >> with its gradual focusing of atten- tion upon the two major protagonists, >> and with its brilliantly skillful dis- closure of a symbolism which leads >> the imagination outwards in widening ... experiments in gender, both >> socially and artistically, can remind us all of the constant bravery >> necessary to force the universe of the imagination outwards. >> >> Albert Einstein suggested that the elusive, additional element needed for >> high achievement in science is a "state of feeling" in the researcher, >> which he called "akin to that of the religious worship per or of one who is >> in love," arising not from a deliberate decision or program but from a >> personal necessity. Others are more down to earth. With eloquent simplicity >> P. W. Bridgman wrote, "The scientific method, as far as it is a method, is >> nothing more than doing one's damnedest with one's mind, no holds barred." >> But as good as they are, neither remark nor the occasional anecdotal >> confession is much help for discovering what we are after. Peter Medawar >> put it this way, though a bit harshly: "It is of no use looking to >> scientific papers, for they not merely conceal but actively misrepresent >> the reasoning that goes into the work they describe... .Only unstudied >> evidence will do-and that means listening at the keyhole." >> >> Free paper here - >> http://eppl604-autism-and-creativity.wmwikis.net/file/view/20013446.pdf/201762974/20013446.pdf >> >> Of course, imagining anyone will read so as to shake themselves from >> non-participation is imaginary. The self-importance of the petty gossip >> may be rather like a >> >> ... > > -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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