Hope Sunshine was a witty creation with just the right colours and vapidity of a valley girl. I was swooned instantly as Gabby knew would be the case, knowing my base depths so well, though not her own and the consequences of losing me to Sunshine forever. One might wonder how many other modules of multiple personality disorder have been generated over the years, though 'bag of words' analysis has Gabby in Hope almost from outset. 'Bag of words' is already creeping into to detective fiction and had a mention on Person of Interest. I am always fascinated by people who think they know what is one and off topic. I am far more likely to judge the dull myself and the inertial violence. Imagine how different Molly's words would seem if they were uttered as she strutted round an Inquisition torture chamber, to get something of inertial context.
It is hard to know what people really think in our deceptive society. Look how Andrew's inverted commas change the term thinkers to 'thinkers'. Converting Gabby to a 'good girl' has a rather nice ring to it, rather as adding another good dog or cat to our family here is always tempting, until we realise the real joy of stubborn Max, Zak and Commander Cat. Not that Gabby is a dog and it would surely be too rude to use Andrew's inverted commas on the word. The thinker is always stuck between the impossibility of telling the truth to power and the frustrations of appeal to public ignorance. Think of these two jokes: 1. Imagination is easy. Just ask someone without one. 2. Economists suffer from 'physics envy'. I guess most people currently in here get the jokes, though they may not tickle everyone quite as much as Tony, himself a better lunch date than Rachel Welsh, appealing to the essential Scotsman here by offering to pay. I can almost guarantee more than half our population would not get these now three jokes without substantial explanation. There have been times when people in here have tried to develop ideas. Less often they have been received in that spirit of development. One might see Gabby as a troll, flamer or flooder, and sometimes there is little in the group other than a flood exchange between me and Allan. I prefer to think she is a smart cookie somewhere between Alice and Irene Adler, a loving mother and like an old friend who had some trauma concerning needles and eyes. Ignorance may not be absence of knowledge Molly - one only has to think of Bacon's Idols, perhaps especially of the Theatre (of highly scholastic traps). I only mention Idols as Gabby hates them so much, knowing as she does something better, in that sense of having pearls she will never cast in front of we swine. In standard bot response, we should now expect a rejection of the hand of friendship. Sue, who according to Gabby must be another of my kidnap victims, thinks decent aliens observing human society, would first ponder on all the hostility and deception. I have tended to see this group (and a wider internet analysis) as an example of difficulties in rational public scrutiny and our inability with argument. Our ignorance has devastating consequences and on the basis of a brilliant joke from Magic Roundabout, wonder how we have been taught to be ignorant. Dougal (pretentious dog who jumps out of trees as states 'the thermals are tricky today when he falls to earth): "How can anyone be so stupid"? Brian (working class snail assumed dumb by Dougal). "It takes a lot of practice" We might thus think "ignorance takes a lot of education", something known at least 400 years ago in the archive Gabby would banish, perhaps. Time to let the dogs run free here, by a journey on leads to protect them from their traffic ignorance and from chasing the much tougher local cats. On Sunday, March 15, 2015 at 2:46:12 PM UTC, Molly wrote: > > That your enumerated actions point out ignorance, Andrew, I am assuming > that you mean that the actor was not aware that these actions create > alienation, a kind of self isolating campaign on the part of the actor. It > should come as no surprise then, that the actor cannot understand the > correlation between the actions and the isolation, falling back on the > source of the ignorance and old patterns of blaming others. In a case such > as this, a person would not be capable (and we should not presume to know > the reasons) of understanding the relation of the actions listed below to > group dynamic - the very definition of "ignorance" or not knowing. > > Ignored is a very different matter. Peer pressure is a very powerful > mirror of the effects of our own behavior and relatedness to groups. > Sometimes, the most compassionate thing for a group to do is give a member > the space needed to discover what they cannot understand or know, with > reminders such as yours, or a silence that allows other members of the > group to give it their best shot. In these cases, what may appear to be > ignoring, is actually allowing the process to unfold and the group to > nurture and support. > > Very reasonable post, Andrew and assessment of the group dynamic here as > it relates to acting out and puppet identities. > > All of us struggle with the group dynamic here, communicating our ideas > and relating to each other. The group is global, multi-lingual and each of > us with our own personalities, strengths and flaws. None is an exception. > The fact that the group has peaks and valleys of coherent dialogue should > come as no surprise, given the platform, longevity and participant make-up > of the group. The mystery of this particular group's survival and value > keeps us coming back and may be more of a feeling than a knowing. Something > happens here. > > My hope, Gabby, is that you are on the brink of a personal break-through > that allows you to communicate in ways that the other group members can > understand, and that contributes to the dialogue in productive ways. I've > seen you so it over the years, and keep the "hope" in my heart that you > find your way back from the self imposed separation now occurring. I see > the group making the heroic effort not only to tell you in many different > ways, the effects of your behavior, but allow you the space to figure it > out. > > On Sunday, March 15, 2015 at 4:24:56 AM UTC-4, andrew vecsey wrote: >> >> Your very interesting question has been ignored by all "thinkers" in this >> group of thinkers, except for facilitator who points out the difference >> between "ignoring" and "ignorance". >> As to your question of where the "unwanted that is ignored" go? For those >> who successfully ignore it, it shouldn`t matter. It seeks attention >> elsewhere by changing its form. This can be done by various ways or >> combinations of ways such as: >> >> 1. Changing its name to a new name, AKA "hiding behind a new ID", or >> "showing weakness", >> 2. Derailing the topic AKA "going off topic" or "showing ignorance". >> 3. Making fun of it,AKA "showing arrogance". >> 4. Using shallow and meaningless words that can not be understood and >> normally assumed to be "deep", AKA "being a hypocrite". >> >> >> >> On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 12:01:33 PM UTC+1, Hope Sunshine wrote: >>> >>> Hello my fellow sunshiners, >>> >>> how is everyone doing today? Giving the best you can? Great! :-) >>> >>> Let's if we can push it a little further and take a closer look at the >>> argument that ignoring the unwanted is a viable strategy in surviving in >>> systems that depend on the existence of bullies. >>> How much con you identify with seeing yourself placed in such a system? >>> Which role would you like to take there? Where to can the ignored "stuff" >>> escape? >>> Any suggestions? >>> >>> Speak up as not to be spoken for, my fellow sunshiners. :-) >>> >>> >>> <https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-eD7JydMkCX8/VQFx6FKiG5I/AAAAAAAAABY/F00luPRrYkg/s1600/Speak%2BUp.jpg> >>> >>> -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
