Too many poppy field visits make you fly too high. Old educators knew the right dose.
2015-03-15 18:02 GMT+01:00 archytas <[email protected]>: > Hope Sunshine was a witty creation with just the right colours and > vapidity of a valley girl. I was swooned instantly as Gabby knew would be > the case, knowing my base depths so well, though not her own and the > consequences of losing me to Sunshine forever. One might wonder how many > other modules of multiple personality disorder have been generated over the > years, though 'bag of words' analysis has Gabby in Hope almost from outset. > 'Bag of words' is already creeping into to detective fiction and had a > mention on Person of Interest. I am always fascinated by people who think > they know what is one and off topic. I am far more likely to judge the > dull myself and the inertial violence. Imagine how different Molly's words > would seem if they were uttered as she strutted round an Inquisition > torture chamber, to get something of inertial context. > > It is hard to know what people really think in our deceptive society. > Look how Andrew's inverted commas change the term thinkers to 'thinkers'. > Converting Gabby to a 'good girl' has a rather nice ring to it, rather as > adding another good dog or cat to our family here is always tempting, until > we realise the real joy of stubborn Max, Zak and Commander Cat. Not that > Gabby is a dog and it would surely be too rude to use Andrew's inverted > commas on the word. > > The thinker is always stuck between the impossibility of telling the truth > to power and the frustrations of appeal to public ignorance. Think of > these two jokes: > 1. Imagination is easy. Just ask someone without one. > 2. Economists suffer from 'physics envy'. > > I guess most people currently in here get the jokes, though they may not > tickle everyone quite as much as Tony, himself a better lunch date than > Rachel Welsh, appealing to the essential Scotsman here by offering to pay. > I can almost guarantee more than half our population would not get these > now three jokes without substantial explanation. > > There have been times when people in here have tried to develop ideas. > Less often they have been received in that spirit of development. One > might see Gabby as a troll, flamer or flooder, and sometimes there is > little in the group other than a flood exchange between me and Allan. I > prefer to think she is a smart cookie somewhere between Alice and Irene > Adler, a loving mother and like an old friend who had some trauma > concerning needles and eyes. > > Ignorance may not be absence of knowledge Molly - one only has to think of > Bacon's Idols, perhaps especially of the Theatre (of highly scholastic > traps). I only mention Idols as Gabby hates them so much, knowing as she > does something better, in that sense of having pearls she will never cast > in front of we swine. In standard bot response, we should now expect a > rejection of the hand of friendship. Sue, who according to Gabby must be > another of my kidnap victims, thinks decent aliens observing human society, > would first ponder on all the hostility and deception. > > I have tended to see this group (and a wider internet analysis) as an > example of difficulties in rational public scrutiny and our inability with > argument. Our ignorance has devastating consequences and on the basis of a > brilliant joke from Magic Roundabout, wonder how we have been taught to be > ignorant. > > Dougal (pretentious dog who jumps out of trees as states 'the thermals are > tricky today when he falls to earth): "How can anyone be so stupid"? > Brian (working class snail assumed dumb by Dougal). "It takes a lot of > practice" > > We might thus think "ignorance takes a lot of education", something known > at least 400 years ago in the archive Gabby would banish, perhaps. Time to > let the dogs run free here, by a journey on leads to protect them from > their traffic ignorance and from chasing the much tougher local cats. > > > On Sunday, March 15, 2015 at 2:46:12 PM UTC, Molly wrote: >> >> That your enumerated actions point out ignorance, Andrew, I am assuming >> that you mean that the actor was not aware that these actions create >> alienation, a kind of self isolating campaign on the part of the actor. It >> should come as no surprise then, that the actor cannot understand the >> correlation between the actions and the isolation, falling back on the >> source of the ignorance and old patterns of blaming others. In a case such >> as this, a person would not be capable (and we should not presume to know >> the reasons) of understanding the relation of the actions listed below to >> group dynamic - the very definition of "ignorance" or not knowing. >> >> Ignored is a very different matter. Peer pressure is a very powerful >> mirror of the effects of our own behavior and relatedness to groups. >> Sometimes, the most compassionate thing for a group to do is give a member >> the space needed to discover what they cannot understand or know, with >> reminders such as yours, or a silence that allows other members of the >> group to give it their best shot. In these cases, what may appear to be >> ignoring, is actually allowing the process to unfold and the group to >> nurture and support. >> >> Very reasonable post, Andrew and assessment of the group dynamic here as >> it relates to acting out and puppet identities. >> >> All of us struggle with the group dynamic here, communicating our ideas >> and relating to each other. The group is global, multi-lingual and each of >> us with our own personalities, strengths and flaws. None is an exception. >> The fact that the group has peaks and valleys of coherent dialogue should >> come as no surprise, given the platform, longevity and participant make-up >> of the group. The mystery of this particular group's survival and value >> keeps us coming back and may be more of a feeling than a knowing. Something >> happens here. >> >> My hope, Gabby, is that you are on the brink of a personal break-through >> that allows you to communicate in ways that the other group members can >> understand, and that contributes to the dialogue in productive ways. I've >> seen you so it over the years, and keep the "hope" in my heart that you >> find your way back from the self imposed separation now occurring. I see >> the group making the heroic effort not only to tell you in many different >> ways, the effects of your behavior, but allow you the space to figure it >> out. >> >> On Sunday, March 15, 2015 at 4:24:56 AM UTC-4, andrew vecsey wrote: >>> >>> Your very interesting question has been ignored by all "thinkers" in >>> this group of thinkers, except for facilitator who points out the >>> difference between "ignoring" and "ignorance". >>> As to your question of where the "unwanted that is ignored" go? For >>> those who successfully ignore it, it shouldn`t matter. It seeks attention >>> elsewhere by changing its form. This can be done by various ways or >>> combinations of ways such as: >>> >>> 1. Changing its name to a new name, AKA "hiding behind a new ID", or >>> "showing weakness", >>> 2. Derailing the topic AKA "going off topic" or "showing ignorance". >>> 3. Making fun of it,AKA "showing arrogance". >>> 4. Using shallow and meaningless words that can not be understood >>> and normally assumed to be "deep", AKA "being a hypocrite". >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 12:01:33 PM UTC+1, Hope Sunshine wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello my fellow sunshiners, >>>> >>>> how is everyone doing today? Giving the best you can? Great! :-) >>>> >>>> Let's if we can push it a little further and take a closer look at the >>>> argument that ignoring the unwanted is a viable strategy in surviving in >>>> systems that depend on the existence of bullies. >>>> How much con you identify with seeing yourself placed in such a system? >>>> Which role would you like to take there? Where to can the ignored "stuff" >>>> escape? >>>> Any suggestions? >>>> >>>> Speak up as not to be spoken for, my fellow sunshiners. :-) >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-eD7JydMkCX8/VQFx6FKiG5I/AAAAAAAAABY/F00luPRrYkg/s1600/Speak%2BUp.jpg> >>>> >>>> -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/minds-eye/ZaPdJloGGKg/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- *"as well as" = "equals"* Take a stand against sexism, racism and other forms of structural violence! -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
