There are no positive outcome to war only elusion to attempt  to justify  what 
is wrong.. 
 

تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others

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From: andrew vecsey <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 8:21 PM
Subject: Mind's Eye Re: War, good god y'all, what is it good for?

I think that all of us agree that the negative consequences of war far out 
weight any of the few positive consequences.  
The positive consequences of war can be realized by other means, especially 
in the modern times that we live in.:
1. The advance of knowledge and technology can be realized by universities 
and government and private projects with monetary and merit rewards. 
2. People can mix their cultures, knowledge and genes via tourism and 
exchange projects and the internet.
3. Protection against aggressors can be attempted by diplomacy and 
sanctions.
4. Over population can be reduced by education, family planing and 
contraception.
5. We can realize that the world has become a lot smaller and that the 
brotherhood of man has become a lot clearer. We all have a common enemy in 
that if nature is exploited further we are all threatened. If you love your 
enemies, then you will not have any. 

Switzerland has a lot to teach the world in avoiding wars.
On a political level, the keys to this are neutrality and direct democracy.
On a personal level, the keys are respect, tolerance, appreciation of 
diversity, 

Examples are:
If a part of a canton wants to separate, then accept that fact and let them 
separate like demonstrated by Jura a few years ago.
Small is beautiful concept.as demonstrated by semi autonomy of the cantons 
and the refusal to join Euro.

On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 at 12:27:21 PM UTC+1, andrew vecsey wrote:
>
> Very interesting question you pose Molly.
> Of course it is very easy to see the many negative consequences to war, 
> which seems to be a part of human nature. I like to believe that there is 
> always 2 sides to everything - positive and negative. War with weapons and 
> fighting with words have some common ground, like you suggest. Being an 
> aggressor in a war and being a bully also share common ground. 
>
> The positive consequences of bullying that I can think of are:
> 1. It can make you stronger when you are bullied.
> 2. It shows you who your friends are who come to your aid if you are 
> bullied.
> 3. It allows you to show your friendship by coming to the aid of your 
> friends who are bullied.  
> 4. It allows you to make friends by coming to the aid of strangers who are 
> bullied.
> 5. You can learn from it so that you do not bully others yourself.  
>
> The positive consequences of war that I can think of are much more 
> difficult to spot of course:
> 1. It advances knowledge and technology that can be useful in times of 
> peace.
> 2. It allows people to mix their cultures, knowledge and genes.
> 3. It can protect your countrymen and family against aggressors.
> 4. Like natural disasters like floods. earthquakes, fires and epidemics,it 
> can be used to counteract over population.
> 5. We can learn from it. If you love your enemies, like Jesus is claimed 
> to have said, then you will not have any. 
>  
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 24, 2015 at 12:03:34 AM UTC+1, Molly wrote:
>>
>> Howard Zinn, http://howardzinn.org/ historian, author, professor, 
>> playwright, and activist, whose life’s work focused on a wide range of 
>> issues including race, class, war, and history, and touched the lives of 
>> countless people, said "war itself is the enemy of the human race"
>>  http://bit.ly/1FwyDUP <http://bit.ly/1FwyDUP>
>>
>> We go to war in a variety of ways, big to small. daily (some of us), in 
>> interpersonal ways, and over decades, as the human race. Why?
>>
>

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