The clues to American Soviet Paradise lie in such as the 800 episodes of 
Star Trek.  The ships are USS - clearly United Soviet States.  Politics is 
a thing of the past in the one party state and money long forgotten until 
the new Jews were brought in to ridicule - the Ferrengi have big ears and 
the term means 'annoying white person' in Hindi and Arabic. Godswank makes 
a comeback in Deep Space Nine.

Do any US businesses run on a free trade, open competitive basis?  This is 
claimed everywhere and seems untrue except in odd pockets like Chris' 
entrepreneurs club. Most US business is big, corporate and may well be 
subsidised - a form of hidden state capitalism.  The great entrepreneur 
stories of 'Mom's garage' soon turn into Mummy being on the IBM board and 
people being given years of military research for free.

I think there is an exciting possibility that this world contains almost no 
work.  If we could see that we could build something approaching paradise. 
 In the way is the heroism of the work ethic and people who know what the 
public gets to know is bullshit and the real ways of staying ahead concern 
controlling money  and through it the ability to poach the best talent. 
 Leaders were culled from Korean POW camps to make the rest placid - and we 
take the best from everywhere to diminish everywhere.  Nearly 60% of US 
citizens get welfare of some kind before you consider TARP and various 
Cantillon schemes that are welfare for the rich.  Soviet American Paradise 
- an obvious place for saps!

What would we want to build?  I know what I'd like to see and that this can 
be rationally argued in a way assured of treatment as mad heresy. 
 Spirituality might have public and private realms Allan.  Economics has 
only libidinality, no spirit.

On Wednesday, 1 April 2015 11:42:46 UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:
>
> I think you will be and are starting to see smaller new societies.. you 
> have to look at coops and not so much in spirituality but more within 
> established  religions.. mainly  because the have an established moral 
> foundation.  Spirituality  is more personality based. It is possible to 
> guide  a church group and it is where i see societies  future headed. As 
> people are going to need to work together to have a reasonably good life.
>
> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Molly <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Wed, 01 Apr 2015 12:27 PM
> Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Soviet Paradise (USA)
>
> I would like to see a smaller "new" society that has gone right. Haven't 
> seen one yet. I enjoyed Justin's tales (hoping he wasn't a mad man's alter) 
> about the think (or no thought) tank he tried to create centered around 
> spirituality. Fell apart because of personality. It seems even families 
> fall apart without a strong mandate to continue, whether through moral. 
> ethical, traditional or led with honest love ties. Working in cooperation 
> is not easy, the larger the group, the more it gets in the way. A group of 
> people who can look and operate beyond all that is required but hard to 
> come by.
>
> On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 3:18:56 AM UTC-4, archytas wrote:
>>
>> Primitive societies are much more egalitarian and murderous than ours. 
>>  I've never done first contact.  Playing rugby league in PNG was enough for 
>> me.  First contact would be a good place for people who protest at the use 
>> of words like primitive to understand it is a mistake to leave the AK-M 
>> behind.  The idea that there ever was a paradise to regain is likely tosh, 
>> though you can imagine we might have had to regress to enter this universe 
>> and evolve to current awareness through various stages - and still carry 
>> the baggage of the dinosaurs and so on.
>>
>> People have strange notions about government.  I can make a case that the 
>> USA is now the paradigm case of the Soviet Paradise.  It's pretty obvious 
>> that none of us get to vote for government, but rather something more akin 
>> to union representatives who negotiate with the bankers and crooks who run 
>> the show, though the union concerned is a house or sweet-heart one. 
>>  Surely, not even Sartre could come up with a play so dull it was about 
>> people seeking freedom through voting Clinton, Bush, Cameron, Milliband or 
>> Hollande - Sarkoszy!  You nearly had that utter weirdo who ran a bit of 
>> Alaska until it turned out she was banged by a black guy when at college.
>>
>> Would anyone want to deny the US is now a Soviet Paradise?  I still meet 
>> a few Europeans who believe they live in a democracy or might if they vote 
>> fascist.  The job looks so screwed to me that I think we should start 
>> again.  You'd think this would be pretty straight-forward if we lived in an 
>> open and democratic society.
>>
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