I'm not really interested in a religion based society and think most religious organizations come up short on paradise. The Catholics do a wonderful job at helping to honor loved ones that pass away. Other than that, I only really like their traditions and teachings in the abstract, as an allegory to my own inner workings. I haven't found a church that minds that, hungry as they are for even peripheral members.
The idea that I take away is that we can live our own paradise experience, and hope that the world follows by example. I've seen many of the old paradigms falling away without a clear path ahead. I keep making the leap, and so do the people around me, and while I can see organizational holes (and lapses in love for one another) life continues to happen, and me with it. On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 3:20:38 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote: > > The clues to American Soviet Paradise lie in such as the 800 episodes of > Star Trek. The ships are USS - clearly United Soviet States. Politics is > a thing of the past in the one party state and money long forgotten until > the new Jews were brought in to ridicule - the Ferrengi have big ears and > the term means 'annoying white person' in Hindi and Arabic. Godswank makes > a comeback in Deep Space Nine. > > Do any US businesses run on a free trade, open competitive basis? This is > claimed everywhere and seems untrue except in odd pockets like Chris' > entrepreneurs club. Most US business is big, corporate and may well be > subsidised - a form of hidden state capitalism. The great entrepreneur > stories of 'Mom's garage' soon turn into Mummy being on the IBM board and > people being given years of military research for free. > > I think there is an exciting possibility that this world contains almost > no work. If we could see that we could build something approaching > paradise. In the way is the heroism of the work ethic and people who know > what the public gets to know is bullshit and the real ways of staying ahead > concern controlling money and through it the ability to poach the best > talent. Leaders were culled from Korean POW camps to make the rest placid > - and we take the best from everywhere to diminish everywhere. Nearly 60% > of US citizens get welfare of some kind before you consider TARP and > various Cantillon schemes that are welfare for the rich. Soviet American > Paradise - an obvious place for saps! > > What would we want to build? I know what I'd like to see and that this > can be rationally argued in a way assured of treatment as mad heresy. > Spirituality might have public and private realms Allan. Economics has > only libidinality, no spirit. > > On Wednesday, 1 April 2015 11:42:46 UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: >> >> I think you will be and are starting to see smaller new societies.. you >> have to look at coops and not so much in spirituality but more within >> established religions.. mainly because the have an established moral >> foundation. Spirituality is more personality based. It is possible to >> guide a church group and it is where i see societies future headed. As >> people are going to need to work together to have a reasonably good life. >> >> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Molly <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Wed, 01 Apr 2015 12:27 PM >> Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Soviet Paradise (USA) >> >> I would like to see a smaller "new" society that has gone right. Haven't >> seen one yet. I enjoyed Justin's tales (hoping he wasn't a mad man's alter) >> about the think (or no thought) tank he tried to create centered around >> spirituality. Fell apart because of personality. It seems even families >> fall apart without a strong mandate to continue, whether through moral. >> ethical, traditional or led with honest love ties. Working in cooperation >> is not easy, the larger the group, the more it gets in the way. A group of >> people who can look and operate beyond all that is required but hard to >> come by. >> >> On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 3:18:56 AM UTC-4, archytas wrote: >>> >>> Primitive societies are much more egalitarian and murderous than ours. >>> I've never done first contact. Playing rugby league in PNG was enough for >>> me. First contact would be a good place for people who protest at the use >>> of words like primitive to understand it is a mistake to leave the AK-M >>> behind. The idea that there ever was a paradise to regain is likely tosh, >>> though you can imagine we might have had to regress to enter this universe >>> and evolve to current awareness through various stages - and still carry >>> the baggage of the dinosaurs and so on. >>> >>> People have strange notions about government. I can make a case that >>> the USA is now the paradigm case of the Soviet Paradise. It's pretty >>> obvious that none of us get to vote for government, but rather something >>> more akin to union representatives who negotiate with the bankers and >>> crooks who run the show, though the union concerned is a house or >>> sweet-heart one. Surely, not even Sartre could come up with a play so dull >>> it was about people seeking freedom through voting Clinton, Bush, Cameron, >>> Milliband or Hollande - Sarkoszy! You nearly had that utter weirdo who ran >>> a bit of Alaska until it turned out she was banged by a black guy when at >>> college. >>> >>> Would anyone want to deny the US is now a Soviet Paradise? I still meet >>> a few Europeans who believe they live in a democracy or might if they vote >>> fascist. The job looks so screwed to me that I think we should start >>> again. You'd think this would be pretty straight-forward if we lived in an >>> open and democratic society. >>> >> -- >> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> ""Minds Eye"" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
