Well as for a free lunch what are other syntaxes for reality? 

تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others

-----Original Message-----
From: archytas <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Wells

Dogs walked, me exhausted but intact.  This inner well (whatever we call 
it) is important.  There's a sort of i ching in economics - in questions 
like 'there is no such thing as a free lunch - discuss'.  

On Wednesday, April 29, 2015 at 11:01:20 AM UTC+1, archytas wrote:
>
> Thanks Molly - I seem better today and a looking forward to taking the 
> hounds round the river walk in a few minutes.  They 'know'.  Don't seem to 
> be able to get rid of that avast spam.  Viruses winning!  I see unwanted ad 
> links in my own last post too (reality is).
>
> On Wednesday, April 29, 2015 at 1:15:59 AM UTC+1, Molly wrote:
>>
>> We're still feeling the effects of the virus too, the symptoms change 
>> every couple of days and the time drags on. I'v spent the last three 
>> weekends in bed trying to get over it. Not at all good. Makes me wonder of 
>> the purpose. And I realize there isn't always a purpose necessary. I can 
>> still work, but not much else. A real drag. All my best to you and Sue, 
>> Neil. Hope the recovery is getting better across the pond.
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 28, 2015 at 12:23:53 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote:
>>>
>>> I do feel a bit like I'm doing the two-step - though also had the 
>>> dancing disability (odd given I was quick on my feet).  Grandson has walked 
>>> dogs.  
>>>
>>> My guess on the different material reality.is it would need quite heavy 
>>> 'policing' in the first place.  The key issue is the move from oligarchy 
>>> without lapse to other forms of misrule.  One can think of what would 
>>> happen on the collapse of the current US military umbrella to get some 
>>> ideas on the problems.  We shy away from what societies that put women in 
>>> black bags would do and the extent already that our morality hangs on being 
>>> able to send the boys round.  Currently we:
>>> 1. avoid discussion of real problems
>>> 2. are daunted by what such discussion leads to
>>> 3. fiddle while Rome burns in unreal scholastic traps like economics as 
>>> though power doesn't matter
>>> 4. speak in ideological riddles 
>>>
>>> I believe most of us actually aren't switched on genetically for 
>>> different material living.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 28 April 2015 16:36:11 UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I understand. .  The under the weather (flu) and its accompanying green 
>>>> apple Johnny two is not among my favorite time..  hmm wonder if the 
>>>> problem 
>>>> is that I am not a good dancer.. I  hope that the sunshine and pleasent 
>>>> times return quickly..
>>>>
>>>> I do agree we need a different material  reality..  (my mind just 
>>>> seemed to light up) .  Wonder what a different material reality could be? 
>>>> A 
>>>> totally different perspective..
>>>>
>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]>
>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>> Sent: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 3:50 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Wells
>>>>
>>>> Have to like your attitude to these 'chings' mate.  I'm wandering 
>>>> around being ill at the moment (sick and diarrhoea) and cleaning up after 
>>>> myself.  Too unpleasant to discuss, though oddly not feeling ill.  Have 
>>>> requisite meds and am eating well.  Zak a bit poorly too, but has perked 
>>>> up 
>>>> after the remains of the weekend ham, shared with Max and El Catto.  Down 
>>>> to my old playing weight, which makes me wonder where all the muscle went 
>>>> - 
>>>> so much easier to lose than put on it seems.  Will have a real go at 
>>>> losing 
>>>> another stone of fat.  Trousers don't fit and another two notches needed 
>>>> in 
>>>> belt.
>>>>
>>>> My long view is we need another material reality first.  I've never 
>>>> been marxist other than in method (called social epistemology these days) 
>>>> - 
>>>> thinking the guy racist and the conclusion of some pretty vile German 
>>>> thinking that concludes in Freud and Heidegger.  The crux for me is that 
>>>> we 
>>>> have a world that needs an economy and instead have economics as war by 
>>>> other means.  One might, for instance, think a couple of old lumps like us 
>>>> would just get in the way in Nepal, but we could surely help with the 
>>>> quartermastering - and think on from this statement to what our unemployed 
>>>> young could be doing and learning.  We should be looking to such rather 
>>>> than GDP figures and the pathetic and skewed 'news' in front of us.  I was 
>>>> just chatting to Rigsy for half-an-hour with the television on and the 
>>>> flow 
>>>> of crud from the television and some stupid Skype prostitution ads 
>>>> (Microsoft's new revenue line?) was dire.  Leadership and how to get rid 
>>>> of 
>>>> it in our lives seems the problem to me.  There is 'another well'.
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, 27 April 2015 18:59:52 UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Da ka ching has its problems. . Present ideas on time relate to 
>>>>> snapshots of perspective or as you see thing or your perspective. .  If 
>>>>> there is nothing beyond death then your ka ching theory  is great.. if 
>>>>> there is something beyond death all that you can take with you across  
>>>>> the 
>>>>> life/death barrier is the perspective one develops living their life.. 
>>>>> because ka ching is a very material perspective the question  becomes how 
>>>>> does one transfer the material ka ching into a different  non material 
>>>>> reality or even into a totally  different material reality?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Don Johnson <[email protected]>
>>>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]>
>>>>> Sent: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 5:56 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Wells
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah. Gotta have a little Ka-ching to survive in this world. A lot of 
>>>>> Ka-ching is preferable. I'll take water over Ka-ching but definately take 
>>>>> Ka-ching over spiritual nourishment. I can buy plenty of that with lots 
>>>>> of 
>>>>> Ka-ching. IfyouknowwhatImean. 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 3:43 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> THE WELL
>>>>>> Return to the well of goodness.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No community can survive without a dependable source of pure water. 
>>>>>> In a similar way, human beings cannot survive without a reliable source 
>>>>>> of 
>>>>>> spiritual nourishment. In fact, we need two wells: an external source of 
>>>>>> guidance, such as the I Ching, and an internal source of guidance, which 
>>>>>> must be our own good character. This hexagram comes to encourage you to 
>>>>>> concentrate on developing, purifying, and utilizing your two "wells."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Notice the name of this hexagram: "Ching/The Well." The I Ching has 
>>>>>> survived in countless civilizations for thousands of years for a simple 
>>>>>> reason: it is an inexhaustible source of spiritual nourishment. It 
>>>>>> provides 
>>>>>> us with the fundamental building blocks of a successful life. If you 
>>>>>> approach it sincerely, without mistrust or frivolity, it will guide you 
>>>>>> through every difficult hour with unimpeachable wisdom. If you muddy the 
>>>>>> well, however, by doubting the I Ching or by placing your ego desires 
>>>>>> above 
>>>>>> the counsel it gives you, you impede your own progress.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The purest of external wells, the I Ching is also an invaluable aid 
>>>>>> in developing and cleansing the internal well of your own good 
>>>>>> character. 
>>>>>> It will, if you are sincere, reveal to you the fundamental issues of 
>>>>>> your 
>>>>>> life, and it will instill in you the values necessary to successfully 
>>>>>> negotiate those issues.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The hexagram Ching comes to encourage you not to muddy the well of 
>>>>>> your good character in any way now. In relating to others, look beyond 
>>>>>> any 
>>>>>> external faults of "muddiness" and acknowledge the clear well that 
>>>>>> exists 
>>>>>> somewhere inside them. No person is without this, and by speaking to it 
>>>>>> you 
>>>>>> strengthen it. If you will follow these counsels, you will meet with a 
>>>>>> true 
>>>>>> and lasting success in life.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> FIRST LINE 
>>>>>> If you throw away proper principles, the well is muddied and no one 
>>>>>> can be nourished. Be patient with others and concentrate on correct 
>>>>>> behavior.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others 
>>>>>>
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