Life is good. Truth. On Sunday, May 10, 2015 at 4:36:29 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote: > > With all that wrong, it is still a good world. There are a lot od moms > that really do wonders. Then again maybe I'm an optimist. > I actually feel pity for those who prefer to line their pockets with hold. > Though God actually judges no one. We not the same way oddly we judge > ourselves by the same standards we judge others by. .. now that is scary.. > > تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين > Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others > > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Johnson <[email protected]> > To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> > Sent: Sun, 10 May 2015 10:08 PM > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Cops and robbers > > Oh yeah, forgot about the harbor. I'm really just talking about the really > bad neighborhoods anyway. The kind of neighborhoods you'd have to be a > junkie or mentally disabiled to actually want to live in. IF they can be > saved, fine. Using Chicago as a template I don't see that happening. > Looking at who's in charge over there I don't see that happening. They'll > get hundreds of millions of State, Federal and Charity dollars and they > will line their pockets and piss the rest away with fresh paint and > pinewood shacks. That's the ugly truth. > > My brother used to be Director of Radiation Control for the Navy but now > heads the EPA Dept. He still goes to all the shipyards, including Japan, > fairly regularly. I know he was over there in Baltimore last week I wonder > if the riots affected their routine. Actually he was in Kittery last week > don't know about Baltimore. > > Your right about the Moms, Molly. I've been impressed by single black moms > before. Particularly sports star's moms. 6 or 8 kids and she manages to > raise decent human being on her own and even one or two that end up really > excelling. Impressive. The dead beat dads I have a healthy dose of contempt > for. Some cultures suck. > > > > > > On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 9:56 AM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > >> We have a long way to go with race relations in this country, Don. Our >> personal feelings are one place to begin because we have complete influence >> on them. My own are by no means pure, and I've had to flush out much >> cultural programming over the years. Since it's mother's day, I will say >> that in every race, barring mental health and addiction issues, mothers >> want the best for their children including opportunities to succeed given >> the resources available. I have seen this and lived it. >> >> I can't say that Baltimore does not want to be helped. When I was there >> on business I loved the city and the harbor, but learned little of the >> politics effecting it now. Because of the navy's presence in the harbor, I >> imagine that this brings several federal security agencies into town to >> maintain order, as is also the case in Detroit. I see Baltimore as a city >> worth saving. And not just because it is in Mary-land. >> >> >> On Saturday, May 9, 2015 at 7:55:54 PM UTC-4, Don Johnson wrote: >>> >>> You can't save a town that doesn't want to be saved. If I was king shit >>> of turd mountain I'd focus on those individuals and families that want to >>> be saved. I'd get them the hell out of Baltimore and set them up in the >>> 'burbs somewhere. It's worked before. The rest can burn; I'm fed up. The >>> same goes with the ME. And Africa. Anywhere oppressed with Sharia law. >>> Those that want to be saved; come here. Assimilate. >>> >>> But no. Pardon moi. I think I just went all bigoted and racist. Live and >>> let live as they say. I'll just mind my own beeswax. Nothing to see here. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 10:08 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> We have almost become each other Francis - I used that poem in my >>>> doctorate and now find myself agreeing everything you say like the worst >>>> of >>>> disciples! The rough beast is obvious - I was more impressed by the bit >>>> about the best lacking all conviction and who now had conviction. The >>>> German public were voting for parties that would end democracy - Nazis and >>>> Communists - how often do we see that with Muslim Brotherhoods and the >>>> West's now de facto behind-the-scenes one-unelected-party state. I went >>>> through a phase of trying to make leadership a key factor, but in the end >>>> I >>>> hate the concept for its lack of 'biology', real history and anthropology. >>>> >>>> I always think of the septic tank theory of society with the really big >>>> chunks rising to the top.. >>>> >>>> Veblen was writing in the same times. His hope was in technological >>>> progress matched to human needs and his rough beast the business-financial >>>> control system - I lump the latter as the 'allocation class'. Soddy was >>>> doing economics too, saying we would be better off with a few good adding >>>> machines than the banksters. There was much discussion of lytric systems >>>> - >>>> the word doesn't google now. Today's talk is in Modern Monetary Theory >>>> and >>>> Positive Money and would have relevant application in such as Detroit, the >>>> Middle East and Bolton. Jumping somewhat, Molly's local ideas have much >>>> merit until one thinks of the rough beast bogeyman of economics and their >>>> failure almost everywhere for 50 years. Talk of economies coming back is >>>> rarely true - though I have made such claims in regional economic forums >>>> to >>>> get hands on what relief effort (EU grants mostly) was up for grabs. >>>> Molly >>>> as Mary is a spokesperson for such an outfit. I worked with people from >>>> Chicago more than 15 years ago doing much the same. >>>> >>>> Positive Money could bring the rough beast of economic externality to >>>> heel in the local. Such would be an attack on the allocation class >>>> through >>>> government by the people. I pronounce this world revolution feeling too >>>> knackerd to put up a couple of replacement fence panels! Old Boxer feels >>>> on his way to the glue factory. The scheme sounds rather too like the >>>> Nazi >>>> effort for comfort, rather than Soviet Paradise, in economic-social terms. >>>> >>>> The first thing one must accept is the current economic system cannot work >>>> for peaceful, stable, reasonably egalitarian outcomes. The idea that it >>>> can is a myth, held by many, especially Americans, that we can fine tune >>>> the current system. >>>> >>>> There are many voices on positive money, whether they refer to it or >>>> not directly. Zerohedge has the libertarians, naked capitalism the MMT >>>> and >>>> the notion is implied in all social epistemology (Critical Theory etc) >>>> economic geography and the heterdox economists like Steve Keen. >>>> Economists >>>> generally are a dire block to the discussion and I agree with fellow >>>> scientists that their departments should be closed. I favour bringing a >>>> much wider form of project based money and learning into operation. There >>>> are some small examples. >>>> >>>> The big question is how to do anything under the gaze of the >>>> Establishment gun. We are, of course, up to our arses in alligators and >>>> only now thinking of draining the swamp (and hopefully concerned to >>>> relocate the alligators). If we were able to find a model that worked in >>>> practice, there is still a history in which we don't transfer it in order >>>> to maintain beggar they neighbour. Afghanistan is a good example, though >>>> there are many. Modernisation there has repeatedly been kiboshed by the >>>> West since the 1920's, even to power systems on the Hellmand river raising >>>> salt into the agricultural land leaving it fit for poppy growing. >>>> >>>> My guess is the technical doing isn't that hard. >>>> >>>> On Thursday, May 7, 2015 at 2:13:57 PM UTC+1, frantheman wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; >>>>> Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, >>>>> The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere >>>>> The ceremony of innocence is drowned;, >>>>> The best lack all conviction, while the worst >>>>> Are full of passionate intensity. >>>>> >>>>> Yeats' "Second Coming" is nearly 100 years old now, written in the >>>>> immediate aftermath of WWI and in the middle of a six year convulsive >>>>> period (1916-1922) which led to Irish independence. I've read somewhere >>>>> that it's one of the most quoted poems in the English language - the >>>>> "rough >>>>> beast [...] slouching towards Bethlehem to be born" seems to ring all >>>>> kinds >>>>> of bells. Reading your latest post, Neil, brought the first verse >>>>> immediately to my mind. >>>>> >>>>> Even data has problems; what data do you collect (though this problem >>>>> is solved if you collect everything about everything, which is now the >>>>> normal digital standard, from Google to the NSA), more importantly, what >>>>> criterea do you use to sort it - or, put more contemporarily, what >>>>> algorithms do you use to mine it? >>>>> >>>>> To quote another fellow Irishman, Oscar Wilde has a character in >>>>> "Earnest" observe; "The truth is rarely pure and never simple." In our >>>>> fractured post-modernist realities, truth has become irrelevant. You have >>>>> your truth, I have mine, the Salafist living across the road from me has >>>>> another, the neo-Nazi down the street yet another. In the social media >>>>> the >>>>> extremists from both sides shout without listening and any nuanced and >>>>> more >>>>> complex analysis is, at best, ignored, more frequently instrumentalised >>>>> by >>>>> the one or other extreme. >>>>> >>>>> The recent British election campaign has shown that neither of the >>>>> putative Prime Ministers wants to say anything real about any serious >>>>> issue, for fear of alienating potential supporters. They've both been >>>>> trying to learn from the doyenne of no-speak, Angela Merkel here in >>>>> Germany, whose only principle is to say as little as possible while, at >>>>> the >>>>> same time, mastering the art of producing anodyne balm for the insecure, >>>>> self-righteous petit bourgeois soul of the German majority. >>>>> >>>>> The first season of The Wire (in my view one of the best series TV has >>>>> ever produced) will be 13 years old next month. One of the frightening >>>>> things about Baltimore is that the city and US society seem to have >>>>> learned >>>>> exactly nothing from David Simon's work. >>>>> >>>>> "Il faut cultiver notre jardin," Voltaire's Candide increasingly seems >>>>> to me to have got it right. As you say, the temptation to retreat to an >>>>> ivory tower, having secured - as far as possible - the necessities of >>>>> basic >>>>> living, is almost overwhelming. >>>>> >>>>> And yet ... and yet ... >>>>> >>>>> Maybe all we can do is just not give up, try to cultivate decency and >>>>> humanity and openness and listening to each other in our own lives and in >>>>> the small islands of dignity we can discover in our ordinary lives. And >>>>> protest in our own little ways against the lies, and oversimplifications, >>>>> and hypocrisy, and bigotry. Shout out. And howl ... >>>>> >>>>> I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, >>>>> starving hysterical naked, >>>>> dragging themselves through the negro streets at dawn looking for >>>>> an angry fix, >>>>> angelheaded hipsters burning for the ancient heavenly connection to >>>>> the starry dynamo in the machinery of night ... >>>>> >>>>> Am Montag, 4. Mai 2015 12:59:15 UTC+2 schrieb Molly: >>>>>> >>>>>> The big ongoing news here in the states is the rash of clash between >>>>>> demonstrators and police. The demonstrations are (supposedly) brought on >>>>>> by >>>>>> the ever growing voice against the use of excessive force by police. It >>>>>> is >>>>>> such a complex issue, and the demonstrations themselves are not a simple >>>>>> problem. >>>>>> >>>>>> Since living in Detroit I've heard many storied about how the riots >>>>>> of 1967 altered the course of history for the city, and changed >>>>>> individual >>>>>> lives forever. Most recently, I cried like a baby listening to the >>>>>> eulogy >>>>>> of a fine man given my his loving wife, my friend. He was a catholic >>>>>> priest >>>>>> at the time, and she a Detroit resident. He left the priesthood >>>>>> afterward >>>>>> and they married a couple of years later. There were over 40 priests at >>>>>> the >>>>>> services, three from Rome officiated the funeral mass. This guy was on >>>>>> the >>>>>> fast track to Cardinal when the riots shook his very core and changed >>>>>> his >>>>>> value system forever. >>>>>> >>>>>> It gets me thinking about the very nature of the waves of >>>>>> demonstrations. In the sixties, of course, they were spurred by civil >>>>>> rights issues, Then the war in Vietnam (four dead in Ohio). Now it >>>>>> seems, >>>>>> in the age of transparency, the relationship between law enforcement and >>>>>> the criminals they deter (treatment during the time of arrest.) >>>>>> Complicated >>>>>> and exacerbated by the new "protest for hire" gang, the same well funded >>>>>> group that travels the US heightening racial tension (Al Sharpton, >>>>>> Jessie >>>>>> Jackson.) Baltimore's riots had a big gang problem that hasn't been seen >>>>>> yet, the street gangs hoping on board in an organized way to conduct >>>>>> criminal activity in the chaos. Something's gotta give. >>>>>> >>>>>> Certainly, the police methods employed in some metropolitan cities >>>>>> should be eliminated and cleaned up. But the police have to be able to >>>>>> defend themselves and do their job (which should be protecting and >>>>>> serving >>>>>> the public.) Where any of that goes off the rail is where it gets murky. >>>>>> >>>>>> When we can't have civil unrest without it being corrupted by monied >>>>>> interests looking to make things worse, there is little hope for >>>>>> societal >>>>>> change. This may be the reason for the current chaos. 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