You are right, Neil, we are all robots of God and yet have free will. On Wed 20 Feb, 2019, 3:10 PM archytas <[email protected] wrote:
> I can't see RP as a 'Hinduist' - his values are clearly universalist. > Will as expressed in his last post are rather Greek and Nietzschean in > western stuff. I have learned from all of you. The site of contesting > various wills seems to be consciousness, though we can dispute this with > science and 'robots of god' stuff. Science has demonstrated quite a lot > gets in our two brains (the enteric nervous system is as large as a cat's > brain) without us being consciously aware. In psychology (a discipline I > don't like) we are investigating metacognition - broadly how we discern > accurate from inaccurate performance. This is an example: > Widening polarization about political, religious, and > scientific issues threatens open societies, leading > to entrenchment of beliefs, reduced mutual understanding, and a pervasive > negativity surrounding > the very idea of consensus [1, 2]. Such radicalization > has been linked to systematic differences in the certainty with which > people adhere to particular beliefs > [3–6]. However, the drivers of unjustified certainty in > radicals are rarely considered from the perspective > of models of metacognition, and it remains unknown > whether radicals show alterations in confidence bias > (a tendency to publicly espouse higher confidence), > metacognitive sensitivity (insight into the correctness of one’s beliefs), > or both. > The numbers are just references. > > The results were that rightists and leftists both exhibit low > metacognitive sensitivity and use very low quality of evidence to support > their entrenched conditions, though this depends on such as 'mood'. It is > difficult even to broach science and spirituality with most and I always > found RP not part of this problem. This particular psychology rather > dismisses what I hope we four musketeers resist - that there is much good > in current material societies and politics. Something is radically > missing. In philosophic terms we need the question marks in deeper than > left or right. The paper is available free - > https://www.cell.com/current-biology/pdfExtended/S0960-9822(18)31420-9 - > though isn't attempting the often ineffable ground we seek. Vam's recent > Veda translation gets to that and RP's quasi-obsession with free will is > likely central to a new form of argument. I have shifted towards > agnotology - how existing wrong thinking affects what we can argue about > and do. Science has its agnotological reception and many confuse its > project with value-free amorality. In fact, once you know enough science > the standard project of morality and its uses collapses, particularly the > crude exploitation by empires of generally racist (animal) rot. My dog > doesn't bite me, though has just been very growly because he thought he > wasn't coming out for a walk! He got his way RP! Superior expression of > will, no doubt. He was always going to come, of course. I was just > struggling to get the bins out for collection. Nice lad is Maxwell, who > must have to control a lot in his consciousness (he lives peacefully and in > some affection with a cat). In searching for higher ground we could be a > little less prissy about it all being human. > > On Tuesday, 9 January 2018 13:17:50 UTC, RP wrote: >> >> A human being works like a machine under the control of nature but we >> must also realize that our Will is the central part of this machine and it >> is in this that our freedom lies. And herein lies our >> accountability.Whatever we do is with our brains and hence normal people >> are accountable for their actions where as insane are not. > > -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
