Cause and effect is not necessarily what science  is all about at the all
though it is about identifying  different  parts and particles often it
occured by  the  cause and effect.
I think that one needs to take in other realities other than the primitive
~ Earth ~ Air ~ Fire ~ Water. We realize  because of the "Red Shift" in the
observation of  light that the physical universe our bodies exist within is
expanding.
The confusion for me starts when I  ask the question just what is our
universe expanding into if nothing exists?

On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 3:08 AM ashok tewari, <[email protected]> wrote:

> The whole of science is about cause and effect with nature of things and
> material properties in between.
>
> On Saturday, August 3, 2019, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Cause and effect is  always at play in hindi as dharma and karma.
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 3, 2019, 01:56 Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Seems to me, at some point, the realm of cause and effect is
>>> transcended. At that point, I'm with Don.
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 2, 2019 at 5:57:56 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>>>
>>>> LOL I some what believe in reincarnation but not as presented by
>>>> Hinduism. ¿Reincarnation? Is of the 'Soul' which has little to nothing to
>>>> the physical structure that allows the Soul to exist in the environment
>>>> that it finds itself in.
>>>> This reality as I conceive it is more of a Mandala of the Being of
>>>> 'God' where everything and more is contained.
>>>> Slug well Don if that is what you really want I am guessing you can
>>>> arrange to be in that existence if that is really want.
>>>> allan
>>>>
>>>> Do No Harm
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Don Johnson <[email protected]>
>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>> Sent: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 11:43 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Consciousness Is Not Yours, You Are Its
>>>>
>>>> I prefer the idea of oblivion. I don’t need to worry about coming back
>>>> to this ball of suffering and pain. And I know I’ve had it easy. Karma
>>>> would have me coming back as a slug or something. No thank you.
>>>>
>>>> https://youtu.be/Z7BuQFUhsRM
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 29, 2019, at 12:56 PM, Rajendra Pal Singh <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> In fact there is no death, only transformation. When an individual dies
>>>> the body disintegrates and amalgamates with the five element and the
>>>> self-sense, the soul, becomes one with Pure Consciousness.
>>>> For those who believe in rebirth the soul comes back from pure
>>>> consciousness again and again, taking birth after birth until it's karma is
>>>> burnt and then achieves Moksha or permanent union with the One.
>>>> Ultimately, the One alone is the Truth, all else is maya.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon 29 Jul, 2019, 10:52 PM Rajendra Pal Singh, <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Consciousness or awareness is a state of the individual, even in deep
>>>>> sleep there isa low level of consciousness. Beyond consciousness is pure
>>>>> consciousness in which there are no attributes, where there is only one 
>>>>> and
>>>>> no other, not even the self-sense.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon 29 Jul, 2019, 10:40 PM Vam, <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> That wasn't the main point of discussion I wished to start with my
>>>>>> post. It was that we are not individuals who are conscious but
>>>>>> consciousness, the one and the same behind every individual being. The
>>>>>> latter just seem different, one from the rest.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or, is it that I am going too far ?
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