> I'd rather not have to create extra tunnels or define VPN policies with 
> subnets which have prefixes wider than the internal LANs.
> That leaves mangling, but I cannot see how I would do the mangling in PF to 
> make it work without doing a redirect through the loopback etc.. Just 
> wondering if anyone knows of a cleaner way?

I think widening the flow's source is cleanest (as I mentioned in my first 
reply). However, I think it's possible to use a gif tunnel for the tunnel 
encapsulation, and only use IPsec for the endpoint encryption. It would 
probably work, because unlike IPsec flows, it's not "source routed".

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