I use OSPFd on each OpenSBD firewall I deploy.
This way you get access to all machines on the remote LAN, including firewall 
itself.
and you don't have to maintain routing manually.

//mxb

On 4 jul 2013, at 16:25, Andy <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Thu 04 Jul 2013 15:22:55 BST, Anders Berggren wrote:
>>> I'd rather not have to create extra tunnels or define VPN policies with 
>>> subnets which have prefixes wider than the internal LANs.
>>> That leaves mangling, but I cannot see how I would do the mangling in PF to 
>>> make it work without doing a redirect through the loopback etc.. Just 
>>> wondering if anyone knows of a cleaner way?
>> 
>> I think widening the flow's source is cleanest (as I mentioned in my first 
>> reply). However, I think it's possible to use a gif tunnel for the tunnel 
>> encapsulation, and only use IPsec for the endpoint encryption. It would 
>> probably work, because unlike IPsec flows, it's not "source routed".
> 
> Ah ha!!! Of course!! Thank you :D
> 
> Andy.

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